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Hey CCP; Why are you re-releasing "uniques" ? Gold Magnate / Silver
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-09-24 16:11:56 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.

So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.


Would it not be better to have "new" gold/silver ships? Why magnate, why not gold/silver crucifier, etc.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#22 - 2015-09-24 16:18:49 UTC
TT, didn;t you win the first one in the amarr championships?

if so, then why wouldn;t another amarr championships have the same prizes? Thought they never said, afaik, that they would never make new ships of the old limited edition ones.

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#23 - 2015-09-24 16:21:57 UTC
Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ?
Tiagra May
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-09-24 16:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiagra May
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases)

They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas Smile

Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#25 - 2015-09-24 16:35:36 UTC
The issue here is the occasion on which they are releasing them. Its Amarr succesion trials. Blame Amarr.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-09-24 16:36:18 UTC
Tiagra May wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases)

They should absolutely do the gold magnate thing and then give out state ravens for christmas Smile

Just to make nerds mad about pixels on the internet.


My "space pixels" lost "space pixels money" value!!!!!!!
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X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#27 - 2015-09-24 17:01:18 UTC
After the stratios ER skin bs I'm not the slightest bit surprised they pull a d-move like this, honestly.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2015-09-24 17:03:15 UTC
* puts pants on head, sets pants on fire, runs around screaming *

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-09-24 19:37:51 UTC
Unique - Einn af a góður. Jæja, hugsanlega tvö.
There. Now we'll get somewhere with this.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Pentara
Galactic Response Team
#30 - 2015-09-24 19:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pentara
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Well you thought wrong. They've said many times they wouldn't release more, as for why shouldn't it have the same prizes, gee maybe because they said there wouldn't be any more of the ships ? Or how about because it's boring ? Why not have the same prizes every year for the Alliance Tournament then ?


It's frustrating to say the least.

I used to fly my Silver Magnate all the time. CCP re-balanced all the ships a few years back and never touched the Silver Magnate, giving it just base stats. I honestly think the last time I flew in 0.0 was when you could triple MWD it, still fly sometimes in empire.

Yes, I bought it because I used to be a collector. I do remember CCP saying they would not be re-released.
That being said, I understand the reason for them to be re-released, I don't think an alliance tournament is the way to do it. It extremely limits who can get these rare ships.


That being said, I would prefer the original ships to remain significant in some way. Just releasing all these extra ships does nothing to the current owners but de-value them.
Arec Bardwin
#31 - 2015-09-24 19:45:16 UTC
Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically.
Pentara
Galactic Response Team
#32 - 2015-09-24 19:55:51 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically.


Not really in-context for long time owners.

The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B

An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine.

What can I afford to lose?

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-09-24 20:04:25 UTC
Pentara wrote:
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically.


Not really in-context for long time owners.

The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B

An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine.

What can I afford to lose?



You can "afford" to lose anything you invest in a hangar ornament?
Pentara
Galactic Response Team
#34 - 2015-09-24 20:10:16 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Pentara wrote:
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Never collect what you cannot afford to lose, basically.


Not really in-context for long time owners.

The last sale price of a Silver magnate I've found was ~600 B

An approximate 350% increase in what I paid for mine.

What can I afford to lose?



You can "afford" to lose anything you invest in a hangar ornament?


Seems like a great investment doesn't it?

"afford to lose" has nothing to do with collections. Collectors buy stuff because they want it. If you can afford to lose it or not doesn't matter because the goal of collectors is to create an assortment of hanger ornaments. Everyone is EVE has a different goal. Why would anyone question that goal?
Arec Bardwin
#35 - 2015-09-24 20:20:26 UTC
You don't lose the ornament as such. The said items will become less rare, and the collectors value of them will go down. There is also a significant potential isk loss. There is a reason for the collectors tears in this thread; they are obviously collecting something they cannot afford to lose.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2015-09-24 20:59:27 UTC
This is a science game, not a magic fantasy game. "Rare" is fine, unique is not. If it could be built once it can be built again; having a single example that cant be duplicated because ~reasons~ is silly.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-09-24 21:29:40 UTC
So a repeat of the event has the same award? For what it lacks in creativity it makes up for in consistency at least. It does make sense that the Amarr have a "medal" of sorts tied to this specific occasion. When viewed like that different awards each time makes less sense.

Granted if we ignore the lore side of things it's just a kick in the pants to collectors, but at the same time it's that lore that opened the first opportunity to collect these items to begin with so v0v.
Reiisha
#38 - 2015-09-24 21:51:00 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it.

I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.
CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc

I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me.
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.

http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it

https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282


I heard the gold magnate went for 500m....

That said, the magnates were given out as prizes in the succession trials. I heard some empress died and a new one has to come around at some point, this time without resurrection shennanigans.....

If it's a prize for new succession trials, i don't see why not. Makes complete sense. I don't have an issue with rare ships myself - even though i'll never own one. Gives the game's direct content some depth, if you know what i mean.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#39 - 2015-09-24 21:55:24 UTC
Like others have said, these are prizes for the succession trials; the last time these ships were released was the last succession trials, in late 2003. AFAIK, there are zero gold magnates left in the game, and one (was it two?) silver ones.

If there's any time to release them again, it's now - and seeing as there will only be four of the god magnate, period, I don't really see the issue.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#40 - 2015-09-24 21:58:41 UTC
"f there's any time to release them again"
There isn't.

I'd estimate 10 silvers remaining , but could be fewer I guess depending on how many Somer had when banned etc
and Reiisha it was 1 bil not 500 mil