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All people have to do is go to that thread and read your posts to see what you said, you feel entitled to be able to blow up anything that can be put up in hisec, and if your are currently unable to do so then you do not expect them to be in hisec.

CCP Ytterbium needs to state that in the comment thread in their own forum in terms of that dev blog, comments on Reddit are just comments on Reddit.

The carebear brigade as you so lovingly put it, called you out on the fact that you would have to up your game to kill them, and yet all you want is a nerf or a ban, sounds like entitlement to me. You were crying because you did not have the will to kill them, just as you do not have the will to kill large POS's nor the will to kill properly tanked skiffs.

As for being off topic, the structures will be an important facet of war decs in hisec and the main reason for people to fight, it is very very important in terms of hisec war decs, you know what I would do if I was CCP limit war decs to only be possible to people who have structures as real estate to fight over.

Of course they can go read that thread, that is how discussion forums work. In fact, I encourage everyone who wants to view a prime example of the mental gymnastics some players go through to justify their self-interest take a look. It was basically me pointing out that CCP Ytterbium said they would not release XL citadels in highsec without a counter of some sort, and then 6 pages of people trying to explain to me that they should because even though no one grinds large POSes now in highsec, that making structures take 5 times longer to grind and drop no loot was going to usher in a golden age of content in highsec.

Comments from CCP developers on Reddit have no merit? Well if you are basing your hopes that XL structures will get released in highsec without a counter to the unreasonably high HP on the fact that Yttebium chose to make those comments on Reddit rather than somewhere else, you are quite delusional.

The original design for the new structures had no HP grind - one player could try to kill them. CCP clearly wants them to be easy to attack, and even easier to defend. There is no way the design will go from taking one person to 100 players to contest. It isn't a matter of will it is just a matter of basic game design. There are no groups large enough in highsec or low-class wormholes to field the force needed without capitals especially without any incentive beyond a kill mail to attack them.

The structure revamp is suppose to generate content for groups of all sizes and reduce the more tedious parts of the game. Adding XLs to highsec with 5 times the amount of the current grind does not satisfy those design goals. It will never happen. Why are you so concerned over what happens in highsec anyway. You moved out remember?

But you are right, structures are why wardecs will never go away. They are absolutely required to remove structures in highsec.

Or bombless bombers?

You really are quite delusional. CCP Ytterbium is a lead game designer, in charge of the team responsible for the new structures. He made the comment in the reddit thread announcing the changes to the structure design. When specifically asked about the problem of the large number of HP and the lack of capitals in highsec he said "XL will be available in high-sec yes. The point you bring up is one of many challenges we have to solve for them being there yes. No matter what we really would like all structure sizes to be available everywhere, so we'll see which options we can come up with to mitigate your concern."

There is no room for doubt what he meant. XL citadels will have a counter for the large amount of hit points or they will not be released into highsec. Just let the issue go. People do not grind large POSes in highsec because it is tedious and unfun. Of course it is theoretically possible and people on occasion do it, but no one enjoys spending the 20-30 players hours it takes wihtout capitals shooting a structure in highsec so no one does it. CCP is trying to reduce this tedium. Making the citadels not only invulnerable 95% of the time, but now take 100+ players hours, and drop no loot other than perhaps some minerals, means no one would ever do it. I explained to you how there are hardly any groups large enough to do it even if they were masochistic enough to take on such tedium.

There is absolutely, no way even the most incompetent game designer would add such a structure to the game and think they would do anything other than clutter up highsec uncontested until the day the servers are shut down. I am still awestruck that not only you, but multiple other people in that thread actually tried to present those numbers as balanced with a straight face and tried convince me that XL citadels without caps or some other counter in highsec would be good for the game.

The citadels are intended to be attacked so that the defenders have to defend and thus generate content. There are not going to be released with HP walls so high that they cannot be attacked in highsec by anyone other than the large low/nullsec entities.Fine with me. I think a lower-tier corp that lacks access to structures and taxes but is immune to wardecs is a good idea for the game. But wardecs are not going away, nor are these structures going to be immune to attack by typically-sized highsec/C1/C2 corporations.

Of course I never said that. I said exactly what he said. They will not be released in highsec without capitals or another counter. It was you (and several others) who took upon yourself to proclaim that those counters weren't necessary and things would be perfectly fine if CCP just released them into highsec because people would be capable, even eager to grind them down with battleships alone.

You even made that claim just a few posts ago in this thread.

One last time: that will never happen. XL citadels will only appear in highsec if dreads or some other counter is added so groups of smaller sizes can contest them.

And that statement was incorrect based on what he said, he said that XL's will be available in hisec period, he then said he would look at ways to mitigate the concern, he did not say mitigate the EHP. You said that XL's would not be in hisec, you changed the context of what he said.

He said he would look at ways to mitigate your concerns, he did not say anything about a counter.

Citadels being tough to take down highsec? So what. An XL is,work to get and put up. Should be work to take down. Two battleships not able? Bring a hundred and newbs to entosis shut down them turrets. Sounds fun to me.

Other way around, liar.

You're the one who feels entitled to a nigh-invincible structure in highsec. The people who aren't a bunch of self interested furries are merely suggesting that your entitlement not be catered to. But, like all malignant narcissists, you view disagreement as the height of evil.

SJWs always project, once again on display.

Brilliant idea, attack the most heavily tanked object in eve that sports titan level firepower with a fleet with zero tank.