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Duality: Structures sandbox

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CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-09-24 16:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Claymore
Hey everyone,

Some exciting times ahead. We, Team Game of Drones, have deployed our Structures sandbox to Duality.

What does this mean for you?
As of the current build, nothing should appear different.
We have made a number of changes to some pretty old code that is fundamental for the structure work to happen and this is where you come in.

We would love you to log onto Duality and just go about your normal test server activities:

  • PVP
  • Setup a POS with modules
  • Repackage and reprocess stuff
  • Run missions and sites
  • etc


For those interested here is quick summary of stuff we have changed for the upcoming Citadels expansion (but nothing you should notice):

- The only thing you used to be able to board in space was a ship, we have laid the foundation for boarding and controlling structures as well as ships.
- You can now have multiple observers from the same location in space. This used to be limited to a single pilot observing a single ship, we need this to allow multiple docked pilots to observe what is going in space around the same structure.
- Basically every case of logging in, undocking, docking, moving around system, jumping had to be changed a little to account for new structures allowing you to dock in a place that is not a station.
- Repackaging was completely rewritten. One upside to this is you can now repackage ships in a POS.

Are Citadels available?
Not at the moment, but eventually we will get them in your hands along with all the other stuff we are working on. Watch this space, or another similar forum post.

MassTests:
These will be happening. Probably just the standard procedure that we have on Singularity but as always we will let you know about them.

Bug Reports:
If you see anything that you think is wrong or you are not sure is functioning how it does on TQ then please enter a bug report through the F12 menu. Include pictures of the actual issue, makes my life so much easier. Big smile
Please try and enter the bug report before restarting the client as the logs are super important to us, and when you restart the client we lose them. Sad

Getting on the Test Servers:
Here is a link for how to get onto Duality:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Duality

Regards,
CCP Claymore on behalf of Team Game of Drones

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
Lair Osen
#2 - 2015-09-24 16:40:31 UTC
So what is this structures sandbox? What's it do?
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2015-09-24 16:46:22 UTC
Lair Osen wrote:
So what is this structures sandbox? What's it do?


It is basically a copy of the code running on TQ. It allows us to change as much as we want without interfering with other teams and the changes they are making for releases.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-09-24 16:48:46 UTC
Are these things going to show up on the overview so I can just radial menu then warp to them or will I need an explicit bookmark for them like other things like wormholes and celestial?

Also are you guys still going to make it so that if you're scrammed you can't dock? Not really sure if this is a good idea yet purely because of the way docking works you could land far off the pseudo-station and get scrammed when trying to warp to it inherently.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-09-24 17:12:57 UTC
Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:
Are these things going to show up on the overview so I can just radial menu then warp to them or will I need an explicit bookmark for them like other things like wormholes and celestial?

Also are you guys still going to make it so that if you're scrammed you can't dock? Not really sure if this is a good idea yet purely because of the way docking works you could land far off the pseudo-station and get scrammed when trying to warp to it inherently.



ONLY on citadels, not stations
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2015-09-24 18:30:28 UTC
I put in a bug report, but not sure if it a bug or just crappy mechanics, trying to do something have never done on TQ and it worked different than I would expect

Regarding Entosis of new structures
Maichin Civire
#7 - 2015-09-24 18:34:08 UTC
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2015-09-24 18:44:52 UTC
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).
Mister Ripley
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-09-24 18:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Ripley
My ship is invisible and camera controls are totaly broken while looking at my ship. Looking at a different object and controls work fine. Back on ship, controls broken again. Dock/undock changed nothing. Can't report bug because mass disconnect across all servers.
Maichin Civire
#10 - 2015-09-24 18:51:28 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-09-24 18:53:55 UTC
Maichin Civire wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.



I have been on duality the past 2 hours, it is working fine
Maichin Civire
#12 - 2015-09-24 18:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Maichin Civire
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.



I have been on duality the past 2 hours, it is working fine


Yeah, logged in just fine.

@CCP_Claymore, copyskills command isn't working, and copy of chars is pretty old. Any chance of getting it online?

Also, still asking about someone who could create alliance for me.
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2015-09-24 21:42:50 UTC
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?


Usual test servers rules apply.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
CCP Claymore
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2015-09-24 21:44:07 UTC
Maichin Civire wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.



I have been on duality the past 2 hours, it is working fine


Yeah, logged in just fine.

@CCP_Claymore, copyskills command isn't working, and copy of chars is pretty old. Any chance of getting it online?

Also, still asking about someone who could create alliance for me.


I will look into this in the morning for copyskills and other player commands.

Quality Assurance Analyst Team Psycho Sisters
CCP Nullarbor
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2015-09-24 22:26:28 UTC
For those interested here is quick summary of stuff we have changed for the upcoming Citadels expansion (but nothing you should notice):

- The only thing you used to be able to board in space was a ship, we have laid the foundation for boarding and controlling structures as well as ships.
- You can now have multiple observers from the same location in space. This used to be limited to a single pilot observing a single ship, we need this to allow multiple docked pilots to observe what is going in space around the same structure.
- Basically every case of logging in, undocking, docking, moving around system, jumping had to be changed a little to account for new structures allowing you to dock in a place that is not a station.
- Repackaging was completely rewritten. One upside to this is you can now repackage ships in a POS.

We are going to have lots of things added to our sandbox over the coming weeks and months and will be doing ongoing testing of all of this. I am hoping to get the new mooring mechanics into the hands of players for testing and feedback as soon as we can.

If you spot any weird stuff happening, please file a bug report so we can make sure this release is silky smooth before it hits Tranquility.

Thanks!

CCP Nullarbor // Senior Engineer // Team Game of Drones
Silence Dubensky
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-09-24 22:51:57 UTC
Maichin Civire wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.


I can stick one of my alts in training for it, 20 days or something if that helps. It'd be useful, then I can build supers on that server too.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2015-09-24 23:07:50 UTC
Feel free to ping me in some fashion if you want me to encourage goonwaffe's logistics team to do some heavy testing in an organized fashion.
Odd PandaPatrol
Heartline Technologies
#18 - 2015-09-25 03:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Odd PandaPatrol
Will the citadels be on a new mirror when the next patch starts being tested or is it going to be on the same mirror?

I know they're a long ways off, but just curious since the last mirror went for quite a while.
Maichin Civire
#19 - 2015-09-25 04:25:08 UTC
Silence Dubensky wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Maichin Civire wrote:
Are we allowed to pvp everywhere, or can I just claim one system in null for myself and stay relatively safe?

I would think the usual test server rules apply, i.e. no non-consensual PvP except in designated systems: (6-CZ49, PVH8-0).


Good. But Duality is still offline.

Is there anyone, who can create alliances and could help me with that on Duality? I can give you some isk on TQ for that, but send me email about that. Thanks a lot in advance.


I can stick one of my alts in training for it, 20 days or something if that helps. It'd be useful, then I can build supers on that server too.


That's what I can do, too. But it takes a lot of time :D I guess I'll just take +4 implants and wait for it.
Capsups
Atomic Mangocorp
#20 - 2015-09-25 08:22:44 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:

- Repackaging was completely rewritten. One upside to this is you can now repackage ships in a POS.



Does this mean I can now repackage more than one rigged ship at a time? If you try on TQ, you just get a generic "an error happened while repackaging" but if you repackage each of the ships individually, there's no problems.
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