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Vanguard Skill Point Changes

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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-09-24 16:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Riko
I'm a fairly new player to EVE, playing roughly 5 months now.
With the new skill point changes, new players will be given for free skills that took roughly 1-2 weeks to train.
Only players made in the 2 weeks before Vanguards release will be given free skill point compensation.
Why is this?
1-2 weeks is roughly 5-10% of my total playing time.
That is 1-2 weeks of subscription that I paid for to train those skills, which are now given to new players for free.
That's 1-2 weeks of subscription/training time that I could have spent on something else. A lot for a new player.
What possible reason is there to not give everyone with an existing account the SP compensation?
I know how pathetic it sounds, but for someone with 7m SP, 350k is still a relatively large amount.

I understand this change is to help the new players, but perhaps CCP should remember to treat it's existing players well too.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-09-24 16:45:57 UTC
Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-09-24 16:51:50 UTC
nobody tell him about the 2013 battlecruiser racial skill change. Big smile

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T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-09-24 16:56:06 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
nobody tell him about the 2013 battlecruiser racial skill change. Big smile

Shhh

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2015-09-24 16:59:59 UTC
Command ships... Stfu with your two weeks.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#6 - 2015-09-24 17:16:53 UTC
Don't really care that new players will get 400k SP versus 50k SP, but I am curious as to the why?
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-09-24 17:49:43 UTC
T' Elk wrote:
Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks.


How do you "make up" skill points? If I had started with 400k instead of 50k, then I would now be 2 weeks further into my current skill plan. How is that difficult to understand?

As for the battle cruiser comments...just because CCP has made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean that they should continue to do so.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-09-24 18:01:51 UTC
i was just saying that comparitively speaking you don't know how boned you got over that. 400K is nowt m8.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-09-24 18:06:45 UTC
Dude, most of us have forgotten to update our skillque for longer than this, I'm missing about a month worth of sp I "paid for"
By forgetting to sort myself out after a jump clone, do you see me whinging about it?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2015-09-24 18:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free — if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. Lol


…I'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train.
Gen Mo'Kai
DKY Pharmaceuticals
#11 - 2015-09-24 18:10:44 UTC
Why do you think you are entitled to anything?
You started playing 5 months ago and got 40k SP to play with. Apparently that was enough to keep you playing the game. Now they are changing some rules and giving NEW players some skills you already have. This has NO EFFECT on you, except you might see more people around that actually decided to subscribe to the game, which is a good thing!

Don't go asking around for free stuff when you don't deserve/need it.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-24 18:13:43 UTC
I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new.

He is still new.

If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b.

That's just how the game is.

Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2015-09-24 18:23:51 UTC
…and the rest of us are saying that, on the scale of things, the 6 days worth of training is nothing.
Spurty
#14 - 2015-09-24 18:27:18 UTC
OP: You sure you're even allowed to post on eve-o forums?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2015-09-24 18:29:36 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new.

He is still new.

If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b.

That's just how the game is.

Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE

Nearly year 7 and I'm still a newb.
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2015-09-24 18:32:08 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
T' Elk wrote:
Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks.


How do you "make up" skill points? If I had started with 400k instead of 50k, then I would now be 2 weeks further into my current skill plan. How is that difficult to understand?

As for the battle cruiser comments...just because CCP has made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean that they should continue to do so.

You're the one misunderstanding. Your 350k or so sp doesn't matter. You must be one of those instant gratification scrubs that whines about not being able to fly or afford things that much older players can. You don't deserve that SP, you did nothing for it, and CCP owes you nothing for changing it 5 months after it affected you in some insignificant way.

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2015-09-24 18:36:09 UTC
CCP cant make everyone happy all the time.

When it comes to the entitlement of its playerbase, its not 'all the time', its 'ever'.



Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2015-09-24 18:38:56 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
CCP cant make everyone happy all the time.

When it comes to the entitlement of its playerbase, its not 'all the time', its 'ever'.




So what's the SP thread theme animal gonna be then?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#19 - 2015-09-24 18:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Johnny Riko wrote:
I'm a fairly new player to EVE, playing roughly 5 months now.
With the new skill point changes, new players will be given for free skills that took roughly 1-2 weeks to train.
Only players made in the 2 weeks before Vanguards release will be given free skill point compensation.
Why is this?
1-2 weeks is roughly 5-10% of my total playing time.
That is 1-2 weeks of subscription that I paid for to train those skills, which are now given to new players for free.
That's 1-2 weeks of subscription/training time that I could have spent on something else. A lot for a new player.
What possible reason is there to not give everyone with an existing account the SP compensation?
I know how pathetic it sounds, but for someone with 7m SP, 350k is still a relatively large amount.

I understand this change is to help the new players, but perhaps CCP should remember to treat it's existing players well too.
CCP should reinstate learning skills on your account then stall your skill queue until you train the prerequisites and the advanced skills to 4, that would make you realise just how truly frivolous your post is Evil

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-24 18:43:41 UTC
Amazed at the amount of entitled, butthurt people that this change has revealed...

Jealousy at its best.
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