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Hey CCP; Why are you re-releasing "uniques" ? Gold Magnate / Silver
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#1 - 2015-09-24 05:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Just curious if you have a good reason this time, last time you were going to re-release the Gold Magnate was through Somer Blink and you guys made the (in my opinion) right decision and backed out of it.

I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.
CCP promised not to release any more of these, just like with Adrestia / Mimir / Cambion etc

I lost the original Gold Magnate back in 2004 and have owned several other uniques but I don't have any right now so it's not a financial issue for me.
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.

http://eve.klaki.net/screens/2004.04.19.16.47pretty.jpg here's a pictoor I took of the gold back when I was going around foolishly solo pvping in it

https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/644619418199265282
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-09-24 06:26:20 UTC
That is just wrong. Toying with the history and fabric of EVE (apparently loss doesn't seem to have consequences) just so you can save yourself some dev time to not have to come up with a new model for a tournament prize. That is not "supporting storyline" as he puts it, it's "fcking with storyline".
Salvos Rhoska
#3 - 2015-09-24 06:36:48 UTC
Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.

So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.

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Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-09-24 06:41:53 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.

So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.


Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2015-09-24 06:59:37 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:

Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.

If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game.
So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#6 - 2015-09-24 07:02:53 UTC
They're re-releasing the old ships, just changing the numbers around.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2015-09-24 07:03:18 UTC
Aren't there only 4 new Gold Magnates being released? (I haven't checked)

I can understand the concern, but not too bothered by it myself. Giving one to everyone would be too much, since it wouldn't be unique anymore, but not sure where I sit on how many is ok. Doesn't seem like 4 additional ones will damage the uniqueness of them.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2015-09-24 07:04:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:

Given that they're normally not available I'd say that "new" means "newly released", so the old ships re-released.

If that was the case they wouldn't be releasing the statistics, since the statistics already exist and can be looked up in game.
So the tweet makes no sense unless they are actually making entirely new ships.

Were they rebalancing them? So the existing ones will be updated to the new stats too I think.

Not totally certain though, so quite possibly also wrong. I just seem to remember that from the info discussed in tweetfleet slack a few days ago.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#9 - 2015-09-24 07:05:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Twit says "new" Gold/Silver Magnate.

So presumably they are different than the previous ones you mention.


Let's hope so, because if "new" just simply means "re-released", then they are going to loose a lot of support from players regarding ship SKIN's, including me. The idea of SKIN's are great and all, but there's a thin line between a long sought after method of ship customization players have wanted for so long and downright slapping unique and prized ship owners in the face. Ultimately, it's CCP's final decision to move forward in such a direction or not, Eve and all content within it after all are their property and it's within their right, but many players will have a field day nonetheless if it comes to that. They should tread lightly, not because we players have some self-imposed right or some fictitious contractual leverage, but out of mere professional courtesy and respect for the customers they do business with.

I have faith they know the difference and are better than that. Once pics come out of what these so-called "new" Magnates, will see for sure.

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"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#10 - 2015-09-24 07:06:47 UTC
I don't know how many they're releasing , one is too many as far as I'm concerned.

https://twitter.com/EvePodcasts/status/645324972752281600
Fozzie talked about there being a wrong way and a right way to re-release uniques in this podcast, this tournament being the "right way" .

Personally I'd say there is no right way once your company has announced there will never be more of a ship-type released and people buy and sell trusting that they're not lying.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#11 - 2015-09-24 07:10:42 UTC
Big Lynx
#12 - 2015-09-24 07:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.


Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-09-24 07:30:10 UTC
I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2015-09-24 07:33:30 UTC
Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source.
Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing.
Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#15 - 2015-09-24 07:39:02 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.


Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#16 - 2015-09-24 08:00:17 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Other question, and I believe this came up during the Somer saga also, but were the Gold & Silver Magnates released as Special edition or limited. And I mean referencing the release announcement here or an authoritative source.
Not simply someone 'remembering' since memory is a funny thing.
Special edition & Limited edition are different things and Special edition is not limited in number.


They released a fifth impoc, only to immediately realize they messed up and take it back.
Memory may be funny but them having promised never to release more was the reason that BIG Lottery impoc didn't stay in the game.

So basically they broke their promise once, CCP Oveur fixed the mistake. (Doesn't work there anymore.)
Tried to again through Somer Blink in mindbogglingly stupid fashion, changed their minds due to community response.
Now trying to again out of what appears to be sheer lazyness.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-09-24 08:01:20 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.


Uh you do realize they'll still be super rare and pretty much unobtainable to non-trillionaires right ?


O OK so then it's absolutely no big deal at all.
Big Lynx
#18 - 2015-09-24 08:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Divine Entervention wrote:
I think it's pretty silly to deny a majority of people what they want so a miserly minority can feel like special entitled snowflakes.


Sweet... Go earn some Isk and buy it. Like I did. Like everyone can.Blink

Or are you just lazy like ccp?
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#19 - 2015-09-24 15:52:47 UTC
I say keep the silver and gold Magnate in place as they are and release a new "platinum Magnate" with new stats.

Old owners stay happy and new ones have a truly unique Magnate of their own, even the old collecters can strive for to get their hands on.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-09-24 16:05:09 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:

Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.


Don't buy overpriced stuff based on their rarity.
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