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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2101 - 2015-09-23 06:46:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
In all honesty, I just don't see the player imposed consequences for ganking being in line with other player imposed consequences. There's just nothing for a disposable alt to really lose.
…except the most valuable thing in the game: time.
Roll OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else. Of course you'll deny this to the end of time because that's what you do.

Tippia wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP.
Nope.
I'm only going to dismiss it if he can't prove it, and so far, he can't. My guess is that he never will be, because it's just some nonsense he made up.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong. You'd still be screaming that water's not wet if you'd backed yourself into that corner.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2102 - 2015-09-23 06:47:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.

Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^

(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )

^_^

Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait.

What server merge are you looking for?
Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2103 - 2015-09-23 06:49:37 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.

Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^

(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )

^_^

Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait.

What server merge are you looking for?
Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.

If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2104 - 2015-09-23 07:03:09 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.

Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^

(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )

^_^

Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait.

What server merge are you looking for?
Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.

If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place.
I didn't say it could be done easily, nor did I suggest it'd be a good idea if it could, but that doesn't change the fact that EVE has 2 shards.

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Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2105 - 2015-09-23 07:11:16 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.

The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec.
Do you have any data to actually prove this?


I have played several MMO's through the years and this one has the worst **** poor progression of any of them.


Its not CCPs fault you refuse to progress. Your first comment is like whining on the WoW forums "The majority of players never get to max level, yet you keep adding content at max level, you haven't added anything to Goldshire for years Sad". Its not the fault of the players in whatever-zone-is-whatever-max-level that you are still doing circles in the starter zone, staring at the same boars every day. Get out, experience the rest of the game. As long as you choose to limit yourself, you will find yourself limited.
Angel Summoner
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#2106 - 2015-09-23 07:48:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Tippia wrote:
[quote=Market McSelling Alt]You are going to dismiss it anyways even if he came here with a signed letter from the CEO himself of CCP.
Nope.
I'm only going to dismiss it if he can't prove it, and so far, he can't. My guess is that he never will be, because it's just some nonsense he made up.
*cough* bullshit *cough*
I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong. You'd still be screaming that water's not wet if you'd backed yourself into that corner.


Prove it.

:)
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#2107 - 2015-09-23 09:30:31 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.

The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec.
Do you have any data to actually prove this?


I have played several MMO's through the years and this one has the worst **** poor progression of any of them.


Its not CCPs fault you refuse to progress. Your first comment is like whining on the WoW forums "The majority of players never get to max level, yet you keep adding content at max level, you haven't added anything to Goldshire for years Sad". Its not the fault of the players in whatever-zone-is-whatever-max-level that you are still doing circles in the starter zone, staring at the same boars every day. Get out, experience the rest of the game. As long as you choose to limit yourself, you will find yourself limited.


QFT.

Highsec is like a massive graveyard of accounts because it offers just enough to keep people playing but not enough to maintain their interest long term. If ganking didn't exist would we have a higher retention rate? Or a lower retention rate?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2108 - 2015-09-23 10:42:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Lucas Kell wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Velarra wrote:
Hmm. Srsly. TLDR.

Anyone suggested a server merge yet? -.^

(yes, yes..yes i know :) ... but surely one of these 'the end is nigh' posts might have? )

^_^

Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait.

What server merge are you looking for?
Just FYI, EVE is currently dual shard.

If you think Serenity can just be combined with TQ, then you clearly don't understand the reason for Serenity exisiting in the first place.
I didn't say it could be done easily, nor did I suggest it'd be a good idea if it could, but that doesn't change the fact that EVE has 2 shards.

Just the typical dishonest argument style you use.

Show me where I said it was single shard, as in, the exact words where I said that, because I didn't. Nor was it what I was implying.

The whole response in context, what exact server are you going to combine with TQ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2109 - 2015-09-23 10:59:40 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Roll OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else.
Defenders defending on their way to wherever they're going don't lose much in the way of time — the handful of seconds it takes to blow a gank ship up at most. Gankers losing out on the gank of the hour so they have to wait another hour. I understand that this may come as a shock to you, but ½min < 60min.

Quote:
Of course you'll deny this to the end of time because that's what you do.
Your'e confusing me with you.

Quote:
*cough* bullshit *cough*
I mean I question the legitimacy of his claims. It's reasonably true that more characters live in highsec and that more updates are done for non-highsec crowd that highsec of late, but many of those characters are alts of people who actually live elsewhere. But I don't believe that any evidence he presented you would be accepted, since I don't think I've ever seen you admit fault even when you have been obviously wrong.
That's because you're prejudiced and bigoted and believe that your prejudice and bigotry applies to everyone else. I keep telling you: I am not you. You should stop confusing me with you.

I accept evidence when presented. This is no secret or huge revelation. Just the other day, I was using old numbers for how large (and in what order) the faucets and sinks are until someone presented new data to show that I was wrong, at which point I collected it and adjusted my view. The problem is that the vast majority of people who wish to prove me wrong have no, or refuse to provide, anything even remotely resembling proof of their claims.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2110 - 2015-09-23 11:00:59 UTC
Angel Summoner wrote:
Prove it.

:)
Support the game you play and attend fanfest, or just watch the stream if you're poor.

Scipio Artelius wrote:
Just the typical dishonest argument style you use.

Show me where I said it was single shard, as in, the exact words where I said that, because I didn't. Nor was it what I was implying.

The whole response in context, what exact server are you going to combine with TQ?
LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.

It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to.

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2111 - 2015-09-23 11:15:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Roll OK, then everyone else loses more time plus in game resources. Whatever way you swing it, consequences for gankers are significantly less than for anyone else.
Defenders defending on their way to wherever they're going don't lose much in the way of time — the handful of seconds it takes to blow a gank ship up at most. Gankers losing out on the gank of the hour so they have to wait another hour. I understand that this may come as a shock to you, but ½min < 60min.
Why would they wait another hour? Just reship and blow someone else up as the criminal timer is clearly not 60 minutes.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2112 - 2015-09-23 11:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lucas Kell wrote:
It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to.
To do so would require massive changes to something that CCP have no control over, namely the Chinese government and their requirement that foreign MMO's offered in the Chinese market must be hosted and maintained by a Chinese company.

Under current conditions, which are unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, it would be impossible for CCP to merge Tranquility and Serenity, regardless of what they wish for. Any attempt to do so would result in them being locked out of the Chinese market.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2113 - 2015-09-23 11:48:49 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Why would they wait another hour?
Because viable ganking targets do not appear at the press of a button.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2114 - 2015-09-23 11:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Lucas Kell wrote:
LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.

No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself.

My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored.

Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2115 - 2015-09-23 12:31:54 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.
No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself.

My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored.

Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.
Lol, you can lie to yourself if you want, doesn't change a thing.

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Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#2116 - 2015-09-23 14:09:46 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.

No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself.

My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored.

Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.



No its not Lucas BS. you clearly were trying to make a smug eve-like comment to make the guy look bad. You suggested there was one shard. The Oh Wait is the classic eve way of doing that.

Don't wiggle now, it happens. People forget all the time that there is a second and arguably a third and fourth server. But digging deeper isn't a good idea.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2117 - 2015-09-23 14:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
LOL of course it was what you were implying, that's what the "... oh wait" was about.

No it wasn't. That's what you added yourself.

My intent was, it can't be combined - as in "oh wait, that's not possible" - hence the next sentence which you ignored.

Typical Lucas BS and pointless to discuss anything with because of your constant dishonesty.



No its not Lucas BS. you clearly were trying to make a smug eve-like comment to make the guy look bad. You suggested there was one shard. The Oh Wait is the classic eve way of doing that.

Don't wiggle now, it happens. People forget all the time that there is a second and arguably a third and fourth server. But digging deeper isn't a good idea.
His "oh wait" is what is known as sarcasm, it is generally used to indicate that the preceding statement is untrue or unlikely.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2118 - 2015-09-23 15:04:03 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It'd be a bumpy ride, but it wouldn't be impossible to merge the two shards if they wanted to.
To do so would require massive changes to something that CCP have no control over, namely the Chinese government and their requirement that foreign MMO's offered in the Chinese market must be hosted and maintained by a Chinese company.

Under current conditions, which are unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, it would be impossible for CCP to merge Tranquility and Serenity, regardless of what they wish for. Any attempt to do so would result in them being locked out of the Chinese market.


Is why the debate going on right. Now has no value. Both sides just defending themselves. Not wanting to look at or understand the greater scope of things or other opinions. Last few pages, absolutely nothing even related to a discussion about current problems or solution was discussed or reiterated. Good points are lost because the children are arguing

"ARE NOT!"
"ARE TOO!"

Come on guys. Actually read what you have been writing. The one good point always degrade to poo flinging.

"No concequences"

Good point but only replies are worthless. Should be politicans, lots to say about other guy while not standing on foundation of your own.

I agree with that statement. All things should build up to earn, as should concequenses. Do ganking lots that character should be burned from access to highsec without a large amount of time and work to reform. Time is not of value in eve. It is playing. It is why in eve. If doing something you enjoy means doing something you do not, that is a problem with the system or it is frivolous. I mean that is MOBA play, not eve is harsh and real and all that BS.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2119 - 2015-09-23 15:18:54 UTC
So, how RAPID!!! is the Decline in numbers... starting to turn into

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2120 - 2015-09-23 15:24:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
His "oh wait" is what is known as sarcasm, it is generally used to indicate that the preceding statement is untrue or unlikely.
We know how sarcasm works.

As in "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... it is!". That's how the "oh wait" works.

It's not "Yeah, let's go to a single shard.....oh wait... That's not technically possible because of legal differences between China and the rest of the world requiring the merged shard to be operated from China under a Chinese company resulting in a substandard gameplay experience for the rest of us".

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