EVE General Discussion

And this makes it time for my favorite game, breakdown analysis to the roots.

First, this statement is very important. From the beginning, CCP has found it important to protect eve. I started in early eve, but misunderstanding the game, I didnt stick so never had time to actually get into it or remember much aside from mining low poly potatoes and the (still missed) radar sphere.

A slower death, is that not a good thing? Slow death is money all the same, seems a good reason. If it is dying slower, that means more like the game meaning it is a good call.

Now lets break down. What is the purpose of high security? Ideally it is like anybody living in a developed city. You can get a job, but lots of people so not going to strike it rich there except for a few. However there is a security which is why the whole of north america isn't in south america hunting for gold. But there still are criminals here. Crime and concequence. Eve needs high sec crime, it adds flavour, but would be more interesting if there was means of escaping. It does mean leading the lifestyle.

Ideally the way it would work is that sec and faction standings are serious business. A simple but cool counter? Pirate gates granting potential escapes from high security space without concord allowing piracy. But the high pirate standing and negative sec standing would be difficult to fix essentially locking a person permanently out of highsec. In addition, if they function similar to wormholes, your escape might become locked out if found by peeps in highsec.

This is what eve really needs. It keeps ganks and crime, but is more of a lifestyle instead of casual.

Nothing in eve should be casual. if you casual, you get a light taste. Like a T1 fit frigate. Is fun and stuff, but not the same as flying a dictor. Gotta invest to be that lifestyle. Hell, I would love to be a pirate in eve, raiding highsec trade roots if it was a play investment just to get there, and something not easy to make a comeback from.

Mechanically it isn't.

Just a larger population of people not interested in keeping themselves safe.

The PvPers have earned their influence in EVE through their content bringing, conflict creation, rule bending, and avid enthusiasm for a game where initiative, out of the box thinking, and great player freedom was built into the system.

One cannot fault their successes or deeds; they 're playing the game the way CCP designed it.

Go ahead and blame CCP for a history of uneven and poorly implemented changes combined with unfocused future planning.

We have freighters in empire that drop 20bil ISK, you just have to work as a team to get that loot. Not sure why you are crying...

War decs are the best thing that ever happened to Eve (Traders, industrials, CPP, etc). Imagine all those trillions worth of ships/stuff not being destroyed.

War decs = Eve content = Eve jobs = Destruction = Good Business (true, bad for carebears).

No, they are the best thing that happened to you. If they didn't exist the game would be balanced out to ensure destruction took place, it just might actually present a challenge rather than being a handful of groups like yourself repeatedly dunking the lowest bar players because it's easy and low risk. Game mechanics should be challenging.

While CCP could implement an arbitrary destruction mechanism if they wished to, they have consciously put the means of destruction in the hands of their customers. It only seems to be easy and low risk because a lot of people refuse to use the game mechanics that they have access to in order to make it challenging for the wardec corps.

The relevant game mechanics would be challenging if only people would make use of them. Apathy and ignorance is what makes dunking wardec targets easy.

Functionally wardecs are already player driven mechanics that balance out construction and destruction; you may not like them but that's besides the point.

What would you suggest as an alternative to wardecs?

I disagree, it's easy and low risk because a large percentage of highsec players flatly refuse to use most of the existing mechanics to mitigate their risk, instead they shed tears of woe and demand that CCP do it for them.

Why go after hard targets when there's plenty of soft targets to go after instead?

My point remains valid. If people informed themselves of the options available to them and used them, there would be fewer soft targets to go after. Fewer soft targets means that wardeccers would have to start going after the harder ones, which is more challenging.

There is no "PVE community" or "PVP'ers" or "PVP community"

This is EVE. PVP is valid at anytime, anywhere, regardless of how you feel about it. If you don't like it, pretty much any other MMO on the market will make you much happier.

Adapt or die. Your whining about wardecs is just sad. You have all the tools you need to engage in massive asymmetrical warfare at your fingertips, and if your corporation cannot take the time to understand how devastating that can be in the face of high-sec wardeccers, you are simply refusing to adapt and learn.

But they don't, because they aren't in themselves balanced. A wardeccer corp has absolutely no reason to challenge themselves. Why go after a moderately competent group of players when you can go after the rookies in whales that don't know how to tell they are being attacked until the fleet lands on them? Most mechanics have at least a rudimentary risk/reward system, but wardecs are more rewarding the less risks you take.

Something like a system where war groups can take systems and get a tax off of the inhabitants, but have to actively fight to keep control (so no entosis structures). This would mean that fighting over control of space used by PVE players would be rewarding and you'd end up fighting other interested parties rather than mass attacking soft targets. Whatever way you swing it, the current system has been broken since it became possible to have hundreds of wardecs.

Whether you want to blame rookies for being terrible or the wardec groups for only targetting rookies is irrelevant, the long and short of it is that it's more rewarding to go after softer targets, which is dumb.

So allowing people to be more rewarded for going after soft targets is bad. People who choose to actively seek out more challenging content should be more rewarded. But they aren't, because the mechanics are stupid. There's always going to be easy stuff to do, but it should be the least rewarding. Like how highsec ore mining is shockingly low income. Choosing to hide behind concord and mass wardec rookies should be nowhere near as rewarding or even as feasible as it currently is.