EVE General Discussion

Well, if it is an issue he's confident it's an obvious one.

Industry gameplay has remained mostly unchanged. Realize that manufacturing stuff is coded as a different mechanic than taking the stuff to Jita to sell it. As an industrialist you sit in station completely safe and make stuff. As a trader, however, you're vulnerable to PVP.

And you've always been vulnerable to PVP. CCP hasn't really changed it all that much, and in fact they've made it quite a bit safer with the changes to the aggression / flags, and the toughening of Concord.

Players, however, have banded together recently, in the form of CODE. and the Hulkageddon folk to really bring PVP to high-sec. And ultimately their point is that this is a PVP game, not a PVE raiding game with crafting on the side. And PVP games function on the premise that some players will win the fights, and most of the rest will mostly lose and function as prey.

In my opinion, the industry people who are responsible for manufacturing huge amounts of ships for the various null alliances, including the capital ships that have to be made in space over several months of bringing supplies in (covertly so no one knows), I'm not hearing them complaining, they're just doing their jobs and producing the ships for their corpmates.

The high-sec industry-for-profit people, however, are seeing increased PVP attacks (just like everyone else in high-sec), and a whole lot of competition from other high-sec people who aren't willing to move. So economics apply and the profit goes down, and the PVP attacks continue to happen.

Think about it this way: you're supposed to learn the game and then move the f. out of high-sec so that other newbies who join the game after you have some room to learn the game too, so they can move out and make room for even newer newbies. But everybody is staying in high-sec.

CCP has made all sorts of changes to the industry to encourage this exodus that isn't happening, from increased ores in null to being able to "upgrade" your null space, to the upcoming citadels and other stations in null that will promote industry much more than high sec stations do.

Straight up answer: doesn't everyone?? Why should Industrialists be protected from loss when everyone else just deals with their loss?

It's the same for everyone, no special treatment.

Hmm? Same risk everyone else deals with as soon as you undock. If someone want's to sink billions into a BS and drive it like an ice cream truck through lowsec, and they lose a portion of everything they have, this is bad mechanics?

Yeah, basically CCP have not changed.

Not sure if the player base has either. Despite the impression that there are an increasing number of players wanting to get rid of the PvE industrial aspects of the game and move EVE more to a sort of death match PvP arena - those sort of guys were always around.

…and I can't recall ever seeing anyone suggest that industry be removed, other than maybe from some rage-quitters who decided that the whole thing must be stupid because they couldn't get their head around it (somehow).

Over the last two years I have mostly seen mechanic changes making life as an Industrialist easier.

If meta game or other player activities have made your game play more difficult then it would be better to consider changing yourself than asking the community to change for you.

"First I got ganked, then the 2-man indy corp I run with a buddy I met on Twatter got ripped off down to an Ibis by 'Someone.' Can't figure out who! So it must be CCP's fault."

Calm down miner. Maybe you should just buy a mining permit for 10mil ISK and stop crying.

You are not the only ones out there...Soo many untanked industrials flying around with billions of ISK inside...Heck, even I got tempted to try and teach 'em a lesson, but my lazyness won. Maybe another time, I'll leave the "hard" work for you.