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Should CCP start shrinking the world of Eve?

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Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#41 - 2015-09-22 17:12:04 UTC
Last that I heard, was that it is an expanding universe and long may it be so..

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#42 - 2015-09-22 17:14:33 UTC
No, space should be big. EVE actually needs to expand. Yes PCU is low now, but by the end of next year we will have rebounded. And shrinking is stupid

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Austneal
Nero Fazione
#43 - 2015-09-22 17:37:45 UTC
Pryce Caesar wrote:
Amber Starview wrote:
Shrinking space I'm sure is not the answer although somehow merging the Chinese server would shake things up 🇺🇸

How about no More Adding space untill we got more people ,but I been waiting for Jove for ages 😩


Merging the Chinese server with the one we are on? It wouldn't shake things up; it'd shatter the entire foundations of Null-Sec as Alliances from our server and Alliances from the Chinese server tear each other's throats out to fight for Null-Sec Space and establish their alliances again.


Not that I'm agreeing with them, but wouldn't the shattering of foundations and alliance throat tearing be considered as shaking things up?
Adamai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-09-22 17:42:34 UTC
as much as all you people love this!!! to fix this games population they need to seriously overhaul null sec so that all half serious corps and alliances can have a little bit of space of their own! as it is now.. people are leaving and not coming back! the sheer fact an alliance can conquer space they have no intention of holding sov over and instead rent it out to other alliances is proof enough that null sec is broken and has been for some time. you have players dictating how other players are aloud to play the game.... my question is!! don't we all pay the same sub.. sure i love the concept of earning your way into null and support it fully.. what i don't support is alliances being able to hold rule over space they don't hold rule over!!! if you aint holding it it aint yours!! that's how it should be.. this renting crap is just not on! and the fact people are agreeing to it and actually going with it is just silly and they are doing them selves no favours.

you have the major coalitions dictating how all others can play in null if you cross them they come running with massive fleets no one can stand up to. only the other major coalitions. i read something last nigh about the large alliances and coalitions signing treaties in order to get more income. not exactly sure how it works but not fighting is profitable....... something to do with forcing the cost of plex up... while not loosing ships bringing prices down.. it all sounded very complex and a lot like game exploitation.

also there are currently 25k people on the server.. when i first started playing in 2007 it was regular 45 - 50 k players on at any one time.. the most i have seen myself is 65k players.... eve is dieing!!!! its dieing ... why its dieing im sure has something to do with new player opportunities.. many many people who play eve want to run their own corps.. and own their own space! they cant do that while its currently running how it is. instead they log in to either live in empire and be bored stupid! and never really experience the diplomacy and community of the game world.. or they live in low sec as either the prey or the predator!! living in low sec isn't really viable as its any ones game with the restrictions in place preventing players from actually wanting to live and control low sec regions.. and last but not least null sec.. the NPC null is flooded with pvp players who just wanna undock in a gang run around all day and either die or kill some one else.. trying to do anything other than this is futile and too risky as its offset by the pvp players.. or you have sov null which is pretty much all owned by the top 3 major coalitions.. its so bad.. that you never own any space.. and any one of these coalitions can make you leave your null home if they so wish it and there is very little any one can do to stop them..

sure we can all build our own coalitions and go stand off against them but then all we are doing is replacing them with exactly the same thing another coalition that dictates terms of play in null sec to those of a weaker situation.


Her is my fix..

Make holding sov incredibly complex and expensive with rewards that match,, this should keep the pvp guys from wanting to own too much space..

second you need to make the space we claim more defensible, things like turret arrays around star gates and scrammers.. so any one coming in to system has to be quick or have a lot of support then perhaps stargate code breaking.. it would need to be simple to understand but complex to break the code.. im sick of seeing large fleet jump into a system and then take it with impunity. the game does not cater for new corps or new players at all. it does not cater for new alliances or alliances in empire wanting to live in null... the whole territory conquer system is awesome.. i love it.. but i also know its breaking the game for most of us. the choices we have are simple.. either we join one of these large coalitions and take part in inflicting evil and distress upon those that do not join!!! or join the little guys and suffer the evil and distress which is inflicted upon you. i don't really see any other choices.. taking space is stupid.! there is no point it already belongs to some one and its just a matter of time before they come and take it from you and then try to give it you back but for a monthly fee.

see i told you no one would like this lol your all thinking im a whiny moaning bastard and should just shut up and stay in empire.. and that too is part of the problem. people just don't see the reason the game is dieing. ive lived in null and been subjected to its so called politics which is really jusy another mans terms and conditions for you being there.. its kinda sad really. especially in a game where no one cares for trying to best them by working together to create an even better alliance and coalition designed to topple the empires so normal null play can resume.

is there not a way for ccp to intervene and make null more competitive and viable for all.. or is it always going to be the small guys paying the big guys for access !!! im not saying this because i have something against the coalitions.. im saying this because the game has gone from 50k logged on at any one time to just 25k.. im doing this because recruiting players to a new corp and its ideas is near on impossible let alone pointless when every one can just fast track to the established coalitions and fly safe and sound in null sov.. why should they have to work in a team and help grow a corp when there are already corps waiting with everything all ready. i would like to see the glory of eve return and the server population start to grow again..


i dont know how to fix it.. i just have my ideas as above.. the game is getting very lame.
Adamai
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2015-09-22 18:02:21 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Similar to other MMOs merging servers when the population declines. Eve is quickly becoming too big for the current playerbase and burning through a vast amount of empty space to find a fight is no fun at all. Unless the current trend is reversed I believe the expansion after citadels should focus on shrinking, streamlining and polishing the world of Eve.



the only reason the space is empty is because the massive alliances are blasting through space to find fights!!! when people are in them your alliances try to rent it to them lol do you see the problem.. ??? heres a clue.. stop dictating terms to other alliances for their use of null sec.. if you can not hold the sov your self.. then give it up so others can.. this way you get your fights!!!! hope this makes sense..!!! and taking space from people is counter productive to your fight hunting way of life. the sooner large coalitions understand this the sooner they can break up and become independent alliances again.. but they wont do that while their are 5000 member corps in eve who can basically crush any alliance with sheer numbers alone. then chuck 70 titans and 30 super carriers and 50 dreads into the mix and no one stands a chance.. the results are "you can live here if you pay us hmmm 3 billion isk a week.." agreed ????
Commander Spurty
#46 - 2015-09-22 18:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
Active PVP

Characters 43,052 - Unique
Corporations 8,686 - Unique
Alliances 963 - Unique
Ships 1,334
Systems 4,375 - Unique
Regions 97
Total Kills 92,093
Last 7 days...

This is Just the recorded events of things going on, on TQ where someone has an API plugged into Zkillboard.

Yah, looks totally dead to me .. not

If you have issues in Null, those are 'small percentage of players' issues. Perhaps you should do something about it yourselves like stop acting like there's only 4 or 5 different parties living in thousands of systems and aim for thousands of entities, duking it out.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#47 - 2015-09-22 18:12:01 UTC
Amber Starview wrote:
Shrinking space I'm sure is not the answer although somehow merging the Chinese server would shake things up 🇺🇸

Hahaha, I can see the dev blog now
"TO THE LONGBOATS!
A behind-the-scenes look at how CCP Gaurd,logibro and Fozzy overthew the Chinese Communist regime"

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Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-09-22 18:12:20 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Active PVP

Characters 43,052 - Unique
Corporations 8,686 - Unique
Alliances 963 - Unique
Ships 1,334
Systems 4,375 - Unique
Regions 97
Total Kills 92,093
Last 7 days...

This is Just the recorded events of things going on, on TQ where someone has an API plugged into Zkillboard.

Yah, looks totally dead to me .. not

If you have issues in Null, those are 'small percentage of players' issues. Perhaps you should do something about it yourselves like stop acting like there's only 4 or 5 different parties living in thousands of systems and aim for thousands of entities, duking it out.



Then you have better pray to [insert something here] that only 10% of characters are involved in PVP otherwise the server bill won't get repaid in London when the contract is up.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-09-22 18:27:46 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Active PVP

Characters 43,052 - Unique
Corporations 8,686 - Unique
Alliances 963 - Unique
Ships 1,334
Systems 4,375 - Unique
Regions 97
Total Kills 92,093
Last 7 days...

This is Just the recorded events of things going on, on TQ where someone has an API plugged into Zkillboard.

Yah, looks totally dead to me .. not

If you have issues in Null, those are 'small percentage of players' issues. Perhaps you should do something about it yourselves like stop acting like there's only 4 or 5 different parties living in thousands of systems and aim for thousands of entities, duking it out.


Over 10% of those kills all happened in the same 10 systems. Some systems surely are left with an average of 1 kills over 7 days if not less. The universe surely isn't dead but there is space that barely get used.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-09-23 01:24:53 UTC
http://www.memecenter.com/app/download/386452

If the link even works..

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#51 - 2015-09-23 01:32:02 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Similar to other MMOs merging servers when the population declines. Eve is quickly becoming too big for the current playerbase and burning through a vast amount of empty space to find a fight is no fun at all. Unless the current trend is reversed I believe the expansion after citadels should focus on shrinking, streamlining and polishing the world of Eve.



No! If you want a smaller Eve Universe, go to low-sec and do FW.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-09-23 01:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Joia Crenca
DaReaper wrote:
No, space should be big. EVE actually needs to expand. Yes PCU is low now, but by the end of next year we will have rebounded. And shrinking is stupid




To answer the OP: No, EVE needs to expand. However, I've been pestering here on the forums for CCP to more effectively advertise EVE. I don't think word-of-mouth is very effective right now, and I don't see another way to get more folks aware of EVE to try it.


Edit: I was wondering where the prediction of the rebounding of player count was coming from? I'd like to see it, but what information are you basing this on?
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#53 - 2015-09-23 01:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Yes lets remove something that has been in the game and fought over for +10 years and make the world smaller in a sandbox game. Also space is big.

I hope the OP isn't a developer cos your idea stinks to high heaven.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#54 - 2015-09-23 02:03:36 UTC
How about you just unblue your neighbors ?
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-09-23 02:08:30 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
How about you just unblue your neighbors ?



But but but, then Sov space would be more like Null sec and less like High-Sec with more isk printing Sad

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-09-23 03:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Hengle Teron wrote:
How about you just unblue your neighbors ?


LOLOL, yes please listen to this person and go renegade.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#57 - 2015-09-23 03:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Joia Crenca wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
No, space should be big. EVE actually needs to expand. Yes PCU is low now, but by the end of next year we will have rebounded. And shrinking is stupid




To answer the OP: No, EVE needs to expand. However, I've been pestering here on the forums for CCP to more effectively advertise EVE. I don't think word-of-mouth is very effective right now, and I don't see another way to get more folks aware of EVE to try it.


Edit: I was wondering where the prediction of the rebounding of player count was coming from? I'd like to see it, but what information are you basing this on?



merely a feeling. Eve is currently in a rebuild and repair cycle. Its what happens when stuff has been ignored for too long.

Its kinda like, if you own a single story one room house, and you have been adding rooms on to it, but you a ****** construction worker and don;t even finish. so you made a bathroom but it was not what you planned and instead of finishing it, you went and made a kitchen. Eventually you decide you want to add a second floor, but you took classes or something and saw that there is no way your house will survive. So you have to now go back and fix all the crap you ****** up over the years, otherwise your house will collapse.

The same thing goes with eve. I have been here nearly 12 years, and i have seen ccp promise big things... only to under deliver, promise to keep working on them, then go OOOOH SHINEY! and move on tot he next 'big thing' that wasn't.

This culminated in the house nearly collapsing when they did WiS. Eve has been in repair mode since then. So you have had about 4 years of repair (from the end of 2011 till now) trying to correct old mistakes. People keep wanting eve to expand, but the issue is, it can;t unless it fixes it core issues and makes it easier for them to expand things later.

A lot of stuff that we go 'pish that's it?' are under the hood improvements. POS' are going to be dead eventually, that code removed, new sov system that can be tweeked and adjusted, new tools added so making new missions is easier. Dogma rewrite, BIAB, graphic foundations and other such things. These are all building up for an expansion of eve.

There are only two outcomes that will come form this.

1) EVE will continue the downward spiral, as its already past the point of no return (i however doubt this)

2) numbers will fall a bit more, then stablise and rebound as they finally bring in new stuff next year.

Only time will tell, but eve is on the cusp of exploding, is that explosive growth or death? I lean towards growth.

I predict the following:

EVE Vegas will have enough announcement and good things to stablise the numbers, you might even see a small bounce.
The next expansion will come out before the end of Q1 2016, with hype like crazy
Fan fest will show us something that will get the hype train going and you see a slow rebound.
The next expansion, which will prolly be Q4 2016/Q1 2017 will be new stuff and eve will climb in numbers if its not already.

Add in gun jack, which should be easily profitable, dust making money and valk which will most likely make money, and ccp will be in a better place next year.

three things can **** this up

1) if they complete screw up the cap re-balance

2) they screw up sov phase 3

3) things don;t tie together in a completed way, and stuff remains feeling 'unfinished'

Other games will not effect this, though Scam Citizen if it comes out, will light a fire under ccp's ass and eve will get better cause of it.

But i could be wrong, i just don;t see it.

*Disclaimer: I'm a ccp fan boi and very optimistic about eve's future.

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#58 - 2015-09-23 03:51:27 UTC
There was a time when EvE only had one market hub system, and that system rarely broke 100 players. So, things are fine.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#59 - 2015-09-23 04:01:07 UTC
I like my systems. Would you rather be like Elite Dangerous and have over 99% of systems be empty?

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Samir Duran Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2015-09-23 10:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samir Duran Xadi
CCP seems to agree with that. Half sounds about right and of course it needs to be done very carefully while overhauling wormhole space altogether.


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