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[CSM Blog] December CSM Summit Report

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-01-04 18:18:27 UTC
CSM6: The Most Effective CSM ever

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#82 - 2012-01-04 18:32:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CSM6: The Most Effective CSM ever


Not empty quoting.
It's time the haters took their collective heads out of their nether-regions and saw the facts and not allow their obvious hatred of goons to cloud their judgement.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#83 - 2012-01-04 18:47:03 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the EVE player base. You all have collectively brought a positive change to the game and got CCP back on take despite the utter failure of the CSM.



Although they may continue to take the credit, it was the players and players alone who made the difference. All of you you forced CCP to take notice and look past the absurd recommendations of a select few, many of which were "elected" through a flawed system that was easily exploited. To the players, well done. Without you we would not be where we are today, and neither would EVE Online. You undid the downward spiral, and even though the CSM now take credit for your/our cause, we will allow them to continue to blow hot air as they always have. We the player base have spoken.

The CSM can continue to float, sputter and "talk" like they always have.



Now, lets read my SIG.



I don't normally do this, but sometimes it's just the right thing to do:

Mmmm delicious bitter tears!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-01-04 19:12:48 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Seleene wrote:

Was it spoken of 'in depth'? Not really, at least not in the official sessions. After hours, 'Incarna' came up quite a lot. I think most of the CSM sees the whole mess as a combination of missed opportunity and just classic mus-understanding of what their player base expected. We expected "more" and we expected "better".

I couldn't say with any certainty when we will see 'Establishments' because the same issues that prevented their roll out still exist. For example:

Technical - can has more than 3 Incarna avatars in a room without video card melting?

Gameplay - can has ANY kind of EVE-related game play?

Tie-in to FiS - There needs to be a solid 'link' between 1 & 2 for a large portion of EVE players to buy into it.

All of these questions (and more) need to be answered and resolved. Until they are, I doubt we'll see Establishments or anything else soon.

In terms of available resources, they do have people working on it, but I couldn't tell you much more than that right now.


Seleene, how long was WIS in developmental 4 year? maybe more?! We were shown/told multiple things about what WIS would include and we didn't get any of that in incarna...

Where is the face to face drug trading? That's your FIS link, right there!

Who asked that WIS was so graphically intensive that it melts graphics card? I think most people were exited about the gambling and a new level on interaction with player. you don't need amazing graphics for that.

I'm pretty disgusted how CCP don't think we deserve an official update on the future of incarna and it's even a bigger slap in the face that the CSM didn't see fit to raise the issue of WIS on behalf of the EVE community that want this feature.




Wis development is stopped
thanks to the goon CSM
So asking Seleene something about WIS has no use
And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it

R.S.I2014
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-01-04 19:34:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Quote:
Ladie Harlot
Malcanis


Fanboys will be fanboys Ugh

It can't change the fact however... so... yea Blink

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TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-01-04 19:36:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
Ladie Harlot
Malcanis


Fanboys will be fanboys Ugh

Don't change the fact however... so... yea Blink

and haters gonna hate

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-01-04 19:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
Ladie Harlot
Malcanis


Fanboys will be fanboys Ugh

Don't change the fact however... so... yea Blink

and haters gonna hate



Ah... the goon hate card. CSM was crap long before goons were in it. So I don't see how that counter argument is a counter argument at all. It sure seems copy/pasted enough though...

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TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-01-04 19:43:38 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
Ladie Harlot
Malcanis


Fanboys will be fanboys Ugh

Don't change the fact however... so... yea Blink

and haters gonna hate



Ah... the goon hate card. CSM was crap long before goons were in it. So I don't see how that counter argument is a counter argument at all. It sure seems copy/pasted enough though...

Yes it was crap before, but thanks to Mittani, we finally see some results..

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Velicitia
XS Tech
#89 - 2012-01-04 19:44:07 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it


yeah, the part that voted. Same as in any other "democratic" political situation.

Too bad my candidate didn't get through last year Straight

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-01-04 19:46:50 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it


yeah, the part that voted. Same as in any other "democratic" political situation.

Too bad my candidate didn't get through last year Straight

Good dictatorship is far better than bad democracy.

Not a veteran, just bitter..
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#91 - 2012-01-04 19:49:00 UTC
Do you think you could release the minutes before friday the 13th, where I am from that is a bad time and my place I live is on a ancient indian burial ground. I would like to read them before its too late.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-01-04 19:58:00 UTC
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Quote:
Ladie Harlot
Malcanis


Fanboys will be fanboys Ugh

Don't change the fact however... so... yea Blink

and haters gonna hate



Ah... the goon hate card. CSM was crap long before goons were in it. So I don't see how that counter argument is a counter argument at all. It sure seems copy/pasted enough though...

Yes it was crap before, but thanks to Mittani, we finally see some results..



Come on...you can troll better then that?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-01-04 20:29:14 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Wis development is stopped
thanks to the goon CSM

The fact that thousands of people were canceling their accounts had more to do with CCP switching focus from WiS to FiS than anything the CSM said.

Also, in case you aren't aware, there are only two goons on the CSM so to call it a "goon CSM" is incorrect.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-01-04 20:30:30 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:

Yes it was crap before, but thanks to Mittani, we finally see some results..



Come on...you can troll better then that?

Doesn't sound like a troll. The CSMs before CSM6 were all pretty ineffectual.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-01-04 20:39:13 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:

Yes it was crap before, but thanks to Mittani, we finally see some results..



Come on...you can troll better then that?

Doesn't sound like a troll. The CSMs before CSM6 were all pretty ineffectual.



I don't like it when 1 or 2 people take credit for the collective actions of a multitude of people working together. But that's just me. Maybe you like that sort of thing?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2012-01-04 20:49:13 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't like it when 1 or 2 people take credit for the collective actions of a multitude of people working together. But that's just me. Maybe you like that sort of thing?

There's more than one or two people on the CSM. They also aren't taking the credit...we, the grateful players of Eve, are giving it to them.

Try looking past your obvious hatred of Goons and look objectively at the state of the game now compared to the state of the game over the summer.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-01-04 21:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't like it when 1 or 2 people take credit for the collective actions of a multitude of people working together. But that's just me. Maybe you like that sort of thing?

There's more than one or two people on the CSM. They also aren't taking the credit...we, the grateful players of Eve, are giving it to them.

Try looking past your obvious hatred of Goons and look objectively at the state of the game now compared to the state of the game over the summer.



As far as word games go, and taking things out of context for purely self serving reasons, this is not your best work TBH.

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Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#98 - 2012-01-04 21:07:01 UTC
Do people really take this game that seriously? Shocked

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-01-04 21:19:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I don't like it when 1 or 2 people take credit for the collective actions of a multitude of people working together. But that's just me. Maybe you like that sort of thing?

There's more than one or two people on the CSM. They also aren't taking the credit...we, the grateful players of Eve, are giving it to them.

Try looking past your obvious hatred of Goons and look objectively at the state of the game now compared to the state of the game over the summer.


Speak for yourself pls

i don,t hate the goons

i hate the fact that everybody is thinking that CCP is only FIS focused .
They are FIS focused ,as long it benefits only 0.0

R.S.I2014
Velicitia
XS Tech
#100 - 2012-01-04 21:44:51 UTC
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

And CSM6 is not for the EVE community at all ,only for a small part it


yeah, the part that voted. Same as in any other "democratic" political situation.

Too bad my candidate didn't get through last year Straight

Good dictatorship is far better than bad democracy.



so then we don't vote for the CSM and ... what? only players who've played since 03/04 get a shot at it? or we do away with them entirely, and get more $1000 jeans and T20?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia