EVE General Discussion

"Go ahead carebears, swap out of that hulk just in time." It's not like the bears don't use this 'exploit'

And where did CCP say that?

That almost exact situation has happened to me before a few times, you don't see me crying about the miners exploiting this game mechanic. Those miners are fun, I had a good chat with them, I even made a friend. Why isn't that what you did?

Yes. This is not and has never been against the rules regardless of what some of the wardeccing groups claim.

You cannot disband a corp under a war dec due to game mechanics, you can leave that corp to return a npc corp, and instantly join or create a new corp. If none is left in the old corp, the corp will be considered closed, its name wont be freed up and none will be able to join it ever again.

POCO are Player Owned Custom Office(s), they took the place of npc corp, namely Interbus, Custom Offices. In some regions are worth a lot due to the high traffic and player density, in remote region often you wont make the cost of the gantry out of 6 month of import export taxes, therefore worthless. Killing a POCO is a massive grind, at least in high sec where you cannot field dreads, for little to no gain, unless you gain is pissing off the owner.

To clarify in the end, for how much I don't like the act of ganking, as it's a form of unilateral pvp experience mainly due to the lack of real defensive fittings on the freighters, CODE. is not performing any known exploit while ganking; even Hyperdunking is not an exploit, as CCP Falcon explained in a post. The only bannable offense they might perform is avoid the loss of their ship by concord hands and the loss of sec status from the kill.

…same as with all other legal gameplay.

It's not even a particularly strange decision since it doesn't violate any of the critical rules that turn stuff into an exploit. No mechanics are being bypassed; no bugs are being used; no punishment is skipped; nothing is made easier than it otherwise would be; no balance is thrown out of whack. All it does is take the rules and mechanics and use them to its advantage.

It's not an exploit for the same reason can mining and web slinging is not an exploit.

The biggest mistake CCP ever made was in being a great burger shop with a great burger story, trying to sell tofu or salads to vegans in the first place.

The size of hisec & content therein should be greatly reduced, so that critical mass can finally be reached in a game that after 12+ years continues to suffer from stagnant (and declining?) player numbers.

Making hisec safer and adding content over the years simply hasn't yielded a player-base panacea, although big raw-meat fights like BR-5 and Asakai showed us the direction we should be heading in.

The sooner CCP makes hisec a tiny 'ready room' to get into losec and null, the sooner EvE can finally be all that it should be and reach critical mass.

This will never happen, because of carebear (and null alt incursion runner) tears, but its what *needs* to happen.

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Incorrect, you can disband a corp at any time for any reason including wardecs; everybody leaves and the CEO quits, the corp is closed and the wardec drops. The corp name is freed up the moment the old corp is closed, ergo you can create a new one instantly with the exact same name and probably the same ticker.

Old. As in deprecated. As in no longer applicable. As in irrelevant. As in patched out. It also related to the exact opposite of what hyperdunking does.

You might as well cite the old rule of how it was illegal to resist GMs flying concord ships.

…except that that's not what the ruling is about. It's about how you're not allowed to evade CONCORD by warping off and then coming back to keep shooting. Since that was patched out, and since hyperdunking relies on not evading CONCORD, the ruling is simply not relevant unless you can find a bug in the system to replicate the old situation (in which case, guess what —you're exploiting a bug and you're evading CONCORD).

Oh, and before you even try to roll that one out, no, the ancient rule about reshipping doesn't apply either, for the same reason.

So is hyperdunking. It requires a lot more ships to pull off than a regular gank.

Not automatically, no, but this one is old as in deprecated none the less.

Yes it was. It outlawed evasion or delaying of CONCORD retribution through boomeranging. Boomeranging was then patched out, deprecating the ruling. If you manage to boomerang now, you'll be slapped with an exploit notice, not because you returned to the scene of the crime, but because you exploited a bug and evaded CONCORD.

Hyperganking is the exact opposite of boomeranging. Boomeranging was an evasion of CONCORD. Hyerganking does not evade CONCORD. Only if you do not comprehend the full ruling, ignore the context, and ignore what happened afterwards can you even begin to foster the hallucination that the ruling should remotely apply.

Moving the goalposts, eh?
Oh, and web slinging reduces the interaction between players by the way, so presumably it's an exploit, yes?

If a single player, with the appropriate effort and difficulty, can replicate what normally requires two dozen people, then that's a good thing for mechanics, yes.

Lucas... Tippa is right. That rule you are citing specifically relates to the old tactic of "boomerranging" (which has been essentially patched out). What it essentially states is that it is illegal to go into warp and then warp back again while GCC (or "Criminal Status" as it is known today)

And for the record... GCC/"Criminal Status" lasts 15 minutes. After that, there is no rule that says you can't go back to the same spot and gank again... which will incur another GCC/"Criminal Status" for another 15 minutes.

+1 for Benny Hill