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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#41 - 2015-09-21 17:21:34 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
From a new player's perspective, who's sub will lapse on Oct. 1st and will not be renewed, there is absolutely nothing CCP can do at this point to significantly increase its subs. Short of adding massive new features like those that will be featured in Star Citizen (Arena, Ground Combat, Social Zones etc.) and completely revamping the UI. The game provides an inferior PvP/PvE experience compared to other more modern games. I've tried as many of the different things to do in game that I could and was not entertained enough.
What is does provide is a playground for hardcore RP'ers. My feeling is that the game is completely run by RP'ers and if you're not into RP, then good luck trying to have fun. But again, the straight up PvP and PvE is terrible on it's own. If you're not into playing "Alliance Wars" or "Corporate Espionage" or whatever, well, RP as something else for fun because the game itself does not provide fun.
The game at it's core is not new player friendly. Corps, especially new player corps, like EVE Uni, Brave, Karma etc. are not new player friendly. I don't think any of those people have a clue how terrible their corps are and how ridiculous there recruitment processes and applications are. Trying to interact with them is like interacting with the California Department of Motor Vehicles or insert other bad RL goverment/corp entity here. I've honestly never experience anything like it in the half a dozen MMORPGs I've played over the years and that's not a good thing.
But anyway, MMOs are cheap to run and very profitable even at their worst so I expect EVE to drag on for many years to come with a slowly declining player base. Hell even old crap like Champions Online is still getting new content.

I'm pretty bored at work right now, so I'll tell you a story about my FW experience yesterday as an example of how boring this **** is and how the players are ass hats. I joined an open public fleet. Joined their public TS3 server. Introduced myself on comms. Went into the system, was told "Go Here" "Ok, I'm here". Orbited around a capture point for 10 minutes, nothing happens. That one finished. Went and orbited around another capture point, waited 15 minutes. While I waited, I WENT AND COOKED MY LUNCH! Came back, nothing is happening. Go to another capture point. One Frigate warps in and he's dead in less than 20 seconds. A three on one fight. No challenge.
Here's the interesting thing. Someone comes into fleet chat in game and asks who I am. They accuse me a being a spy for some dude we'll call him "Arthur". I say, "I'm a new player, this is my first time trying out FW". "My name is X on TS3, I'm not a spy and I don't know who Arthur is". They say, well we'll kick you anyway. Five minutes later, I'm kicked from the public TS3 channel. But not banned. lol. Ten seconds later I re-join the channel and ask why the heck I was kicked. "Your in-game name doesn't match your TS3 handle perfectly. It's suspicious." "Um, ok. I use this TS3 for other games too, it's an old handle. And actually the name is similar. Paranoia much?" "No, we're not paranoid, Arthur is listening. Arthur is always trying to spy on us". Whatever buddy. Went to another capture point and orbited for another ten minutes.
Fleet decided they're going to take on a group of gate campers of enemy faction and decide they're all going to use X ship. I don't have the skills to pilot X ship so am left behind at capture point alone. A faction ship that I have no chance against warps into the capture point. I call for assistance on comms and am told to just run away. Yay!

TL;DR: EVE: Online sucks. For hardcore RP'ers only. Anyone not into RP'ing can **** off.




Just going to quote this so the "EVE needs new people now!" folks can see it.

I mean, this is the kind of person y'all want MORE of in the game right?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#42 - 2015-09-21 17:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hengle Teron
Algarion Getz wrote:
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PvE in EVE is not fine. Its simple, boring and has no purpose, except earning ISK. What do you do with all the ISK you earned in PvE? You PvP and loose it. Without PvP, PvE would have no purpose.

It always bothered me that the PvE in EVE is so simple and 1-dimensional. EVE has the reputation of being the most complex MMO, yet most of the PvE consists of "destroy X enemies".

Funny, but PVE in any game has exactly that same purpose. To farm for better gear (or even more of the same in EVE's case).
Then with those items you can either go PVP, or more PVE to farm for yet better items.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#43 - 2015-09-21 17:28:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just going to quote this so the "EVE needs new people now!" folks can see it.

I mean, this is the kind of person y'all want MORE of in the game right?

You seem to have red that wall of text. Can we have a tl;dr?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#44 - 2015-09-21 17:33:02 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just going to quote this so the "EVE needs new people now!" folks can see it.

I mean, this is the kind of person y'all want MORE of in the game right?

You seem to have red that wall of text. Can we have a tl;dr?


It amounts to "I don't know what I'm doing, I've made my mind up while experiencing very little of the game, oh and some dudes on TS were mean to me, therefore EVE sucks".
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#45 - 2015-09-21 17:33:30 UTC
all i did was look for a couple of words and that was enough for me,, plex and dying.
thread should be locked, plex and EVE is dying are being discussed in 2 other threads. they're bad enough and could do with locking also in my opinion.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#46 - 2015-09-21 17:34:05 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
From a new player's perspective, who's sub will lapse on Oct. 1st and will not be renewed, there is absolutely nothing CCP can do at this point to significantly increase its subs. Short of adding massive new features like those that will be featured in Star Citizen (Arena, Ground Combat, Social Zones etc.) and completely revamping the UI. The game provides an inferior PvP/PvE experience compared to other more modern games. I've tried as many of the different things to do in game that I could and was not entertained enough.
What is does provide is a playground for hardcore RP'ers. My feeling is that the game is completely run by RP'ers and if you're not into RP, then good luck trying to have fun. But again, the straight up PvP and PvE is terrible on it's own. If you're not into playing "Alliance Wars" or "Corporate Espionage" or whatever, well, RP as something else for fun because the game itself does not provide fun.
The game at it's core is not new player friendly. Corps, especially new player corps, like EVE Uni, Brave, Karma etc. are not new player friendly. I don't think any of those people have a clue how terrible their corps are and how ridiculous there recruitment processes and applications are. Trying to interact with them is like interacting with the California Department of Motor Vehicles or insert other bad RL goverment/corp entity here. I've honestly never experience anything like it in the half a dozen MMORPGs I've played over the years and that's not a good thing.
But anyway, MMOs are cheap to run and very profitable even at their worst so I expect EVE to drag on for many years to come with a slowly declining player base. Hell even old crap like Champions Online is still getting new content.

I'm pretty bored at work right now, so I'll tell you a story about my FW experience yesterday as an example of how boring this **** is and how the players are ass hats. I joined an open public fleet. Joined their public TS3 server. Introduced myself on comms. Went into the system, was told "Go Here" "Ok, I'm here". Orbited around a capture point for 10 minutes, nothing happens. That one finished. Went and orbited around another capture point, waited 15 minutes. While I waited, I WENT AND COOKED MY LUNCH! Came back, nothing is happening. Go to another capture point. One Frigate warps in and he's dead in less than 20 seconds. A three on one fight. No challenge.
Here's the interesting thing. Someone comes into fleet chat in game and asks who I am. They accuse me a being a spy for some dude we'll call him "Arthur". I say, "I'm a new player, this is my first time trying out FW". "My name is X on TS3, I'm not a spy and I don't know who Arthur is". They say, well we'll kick you anyway. Five minutes later, I'm kicked from the public TS3 channel. But not banned. lol. Ten seconds later I re-join the channel and ask why the heck I was kicked. "Your in-game name doesn't match your TS3 handle perfectly. It's suspicious." "Um, ok. I use this TS3 for other games too, it's an old handle. And actually the name is similar. Paranoia much?" "No, we're not paranoid, Arthur is listening. Arthur is always trying to spy on us". Whatever buddy. Went to another capture point and orbited for another ten minutes.
Fleet decided they're going to take on a group of gate campers of enemy faction and decide they're all going to use X ship. I don't have the skills to pilot X ship so am left behind at capture point alone. A faction ship that I have no chance against warps into the capture point. I call for assistance on comms and am told to just run away. Yay!

TL;DR: EVE: Online sucks. For hardcore RP'ers only. Anyone not into RP'ing can **** off.




Oh? Star Citizen? Where can I purchase that game?
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#47 - 2015-09-21 17:34:14 UTC
thanks :)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#48 - 2015-09-21 17:34:42 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just going to quote this so the "EVE needs new people now!" folks can see it.

I mean, this is the kind of person y'all want MORE of in the game right?

You seem to have red that wall of text. Can we have a tl;dr?

Everyone RPs.
Incompetents are incompetent.
There is no match making.
EVE should be like Star Citizen.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-09-21 17:41:02 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Algarion Getz wrote:
[
PvE in EVE is not fine. Its simple, boring and has no purpose, except earning ISK. What do you do with all the ISK you earned in PvE? You PvP and loose it. Without PvP, PvE would have no purpose.

It always bothered me that the PvE in EVE is so simple and 1-dimensional. EVE has the reputation of being the most complex MMO, yet most of the PvE consists of "destroy X enemies".

Funny, but PVE in any game has exactly that same purpose. To farm for better gear (or even more of the same in EVE's case).
Then with those items you can either go PVP, or more PVE to farm for yet better items.


It's also technically more engaging in most other MMO. In EVE the content in itself is not really engaging. Once you figured out what the required fit/strat is, it's always smooth sailing. No required movement, target switch, AoE phase, interrupt. It's all tank and spank with only "auto-attack" from the DPS and 1 "healing" spell from the logi. The game just isn't built with a combat system that can add that challenge because any higher DPS from the rats will result in content not being run OR higher logi/tank requirement.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#50 - 2015-09-21 17:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Tippia wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Just going to quote this so the "EVE needs new people now!" folks can see it.

I mean, this is the kind of person y'all want MORE of in the game right?

You seem to have red that wall of text. Can we have a tl;dr?

Everyone RPs.
Incompetents are incompetent.
There is no match making.
EVE should be like Star Citizen.


I've said it before but I simply find people like that fascinating.

I know what I like in a game, so when I try new games I look for certain things, if the game has it I play, if it doesn't I don't. But it seems like soo many people have like zero knowledge of their own likes and dislikes, and expect EVERY game they try to cater to their specific needs, and if they don't, they proclaim that "this game sucks".

The above is a good example. If a person needs 'fair fights' (which is what matchmaking seeks to provide and what that poster is complaining about), why in the high hells would they play an open world pvp-centric mmo instead of something else (like a MOBA, or something)? EVE is like the wild west in space, no one in their right mind fights fair, and it's dumb to expect it.
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#51 - 2015-09-21 17:46:33 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
From a new player's perspective, who's sub will lapse on Oct. 1st and will not be renewed, there is absolutely nothing CCP can do at this point to significantly increase its subs. Short of adding massive new features like those that will be featured in Star Citizen (Arena, Ground Combat, Social Zones etc.) and completely revamping the UI. The game provides an inferior PvP/PvE experience compared to other more modern games. I've tried as many of the different things to do in game that I could and was not entertained enough.
What is does provide is a playground for hardcore RP'ers. My feeling is that the game is completely run by RP'ers and if you're not into RP, then good luck trying to have fun. But again, the straight up PvP and PvE is terrible on it's own. If you're not into playing "Alliance Wars" or "Corporate Espionage" or whatever, well, RP as something else for fun because the game itself does not provide fun.
The game at it's core is not new player friendly. Corps, especially new player corps, like EVE Uni, Brave, Karma etc. are not new player friendly. I don't think any of those people have a clue how terrible their corps are and how ridiculous there recruitment processes and applications are. Trying to interact with them is like interacting with the California Department of Motor Vehicles or insert other bad RL goverment/corp entity here. I've honestly never experience anything like it in the half a dozen MMORPGs I've played over the years and that's not a good thing.
But anyway, MMOs are cheap to run and very profitable even at their worst so I expect EVE to drag on for many years to come with a slowly declining player base. Hell even old crap like Champions Online is still getting new content.

I'm pretty bored at work right now, so I'll tell you a story about my FW experience yesterday as an example of how boring this **** is and how the players are ass hats. I joined an open public fleet. Joined their public TS3 server. Introduced myself on comms. Went into the system, was told "Go Here" "Ok, I'm here". Orbited around a capture point for 10 minutes, nothing happens. That one finished. Went and orbited around another capture point, waited 15 minutes. While I waited, I WENT AND COOKED MY LUNCH! Came back, nothing is happening. Go to another capture point. One Frigate warps in and he's dead in less than 20 seconds. A three on one fight. No challenge.
Here's the interesting thing. Someone comes into fleet chat in game and asks who I am. They accuse me a being a spy for some dude we'll call him "Arthur". I say, "I'm a new player, this is my first time trying out FW". "My name is X on TS3, I'm not a spy and I don't know who Arthur is". They say, well we'll kick you anyway. Five minutes later, I'm kicked from the public TS3 channel. But not banned. lol. Ten seconds later I re-join the channel and ask why the heck I was kicked. "Your in-game name doesn't match your TS3 handle perfectly. It's suspicious." "Um, ok. I use this TS3 for other games too, it's an old handle. And actually the name is similar. Paranoia much?" "No, we're not paranoid, Arthur is listening. Arthur is always trying to spy on us". Whatever buddy. Went to another capture point and orbited for another ten minutes.
Fleet decided they're going to take on a group of gate campers of enemy faction and decide they're all going to use X ship. I don't have the skills to pilot X ship so am left behind at capture point alone. A faction ship that I have no chance against warps into the capture point. I call for assistance on comms and am told to just run away. Yay!

TL;DR: EVE: Online sucks. For hardcore RP'ers only. Anyone not into RP'ing can **** off.



Interesting read, I never did faction warfare but it seems they took these mechanics and made them the zero space mechanics and added that if you want to keep it protected longer you have to grind activities in that space to lower the window and make it harder for people to take. Even if you played the game for 10 years its boring to do the tasks even in fancy ships, boring to be in the fleets doing the tasks.

I agree that the PVE content is way behind the curve of modern games, people try Eve for many reasons but its usually associated with a large public event like a giant fight, and or a promo video that gets people excited, CCP doesn't deliver this in any form before people get bored.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#52 - 2015-09-21 17:50:20 UTC
Verstal wrote:

I agree that the PVE content is way behind the curve of modern games, people try Eve for many reasons but its usually associated with a large public event like a giant fight, and or a promo video that gets people excited, CCP doesn't deliver this in any form before people get bored.


CCP doesn't deliver anything, they give you tools and let you make something.

Most people don't like that and can't do it even if they tried, they want it handed to them out of the box which is why most games are themeparks.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#53 - 2015-09-21 18:03:26 UTC
I like how everyone keeps saying Star Citizen is better, yet the game hasn't even been released.

Gonna laugh my butt off the day they give up on it.
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#54 - 2015-09-21 18:04:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Verstal wrote:

I agree that the PVE content is way behind the curve of modern games, people try Eve for many reasons but its usually associated with a large public event like a giant fight, and or a promo video that gets people excited, CCP doesn't deliver this in any form before people get bored.


CCP doesn't deliver anything, they give you tools and let you make something.

Most people don't like that and can't do it even if they tried, they want it handed to them out of the box which is why most games are themeparks.


They have removed more tools from the people that have been doing this for the past 10 years, they didnt improve them, or replace them they just removed them.

So the game lost a large % of content creators, they just see the changes and try them and go too much more for a worse experience.

it was already hard enough to form a proper fleet hurdling the cats into the ships that are needed with the fitting that are needed, you can still do it but then you have jump gates or get "space aids" if you jump gates the fight will more then likely be gone before you get their if you use the old tools Titans, Jump Bridges to move quickly you trap everyone where ever you are going and after 4 or 6 hours of being in the fleet and its time to go home you have an hour to fly home alone hoping not to die, worse experience for everyone.

CCP say in the Fan Fest videos that FC or Field Commanders are the new titans but they screwed them all by not giving them tools to create content for others that are as good or better then the previous set of tools.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2015-09-21 18:06:25 UTC
Verstal wrote:
They have removed more tools from the people that have been doing this for the past 10 years, they didnt improve them, or replace them they just removed them.
Such as…?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#56 - 2015-09-21 18:06:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


I know what I like in a game, so when I try new games I look for certain things, if the game has it I play, if it doesn't I don't. But it seems like soo many people have like zero knowledge of their own likes and dislikes, and expect EVERY game they try to cater to their specific needs, and if the don't, they proclaim that "this game sucks".



i have trouble understanding people who pay money for a game they don't like, they then play the game and begin to hate it.
then they have a brain fart and think,,, i know,,, i'll jump on the forums and try to make everyone else listen to my reason because they seem to think they have the answer to making EVE better.

The op was insane enough to actually say they should put things in wormholes lol, hardly anyone goes into wormholes lol
he comes across as knowing very little about the game outside of his own little bubble.

they can't even keep it simple.

let's try ourselves.

why do people play EVE online = because they like it. some even love it Big smile

why do people not play EVE online = because they don't like it. some even hate it Evil

why do people who don't like or even hate EVE online play the game = they're insane. Roll

for some crazy reason they are convinced look, CCP listen to the players,, we can change EVE if we shout hard enough.
it's like they feel they have a right to insist on change and it must meet their personal standards.
if not they will quit.

ffs this is not a new concept. as explained above.

if you don't like the game then you shouldn't play it.
i've said it before, the second i get bored of EVE it's bye bye people Big smile i'm outta here. not bored yet. can see EVE is still very much the best that's out there. so i'm not going anywhere.

so yea,, keep it simple stupid.

hate it = go!

love it = stay!

so HTFU op and sing it..

Should I stay or should I go now?
Should I stay or should I go now?
If I go there will be trouble
And if I stay it will be double
So come on and let me know Roll
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#57 - 2015-09-21 18:20:45 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


I know what I like in a game, so when I try new games I look for certain things, if the game has it I play, if it doesn't I don't. But it seems like soo many people have like zero knowledge of their own likes and dislikes, and expect EVERY game they try to cater to their specific needs, and if the don't, they proclaim that "this game sucks".



i have trouble understanding people who pay money for a game they don't like, they then play the game and begin to hate it.
then they have a brain fart and think,,, i know,,, i'll jump on the forums and try to make everyone else listen to my reason because they seem to think they have the answer to making EVE better.
---.

why do people play EVE online = because they like it. some even love it Big smile

why do people not play EVE online = because they don't like it. some even hate it Evil

why do people who don't like or even hate EVE online play the game = they're insane. Roll




Insane might be a few inches too far (lol), but people like you describe drive me close to it lol. I work with people in real life like that.

I like my job, so I stay. Some didn't like it (but understood it was a personal preference, not a real problem with the job) and left.

But that third group, the 'Gripers' , they drive me crazy. They don't like the job (and they are typically bad at it), but they won't leave, even though there are 2500 such organizations in my state that they could go work for, some of them even pay better. I just.don't.F'ING.GET.IT.. Why work someplace you hate when you don't have to?

They are always agitating, trying to 'organize' in a right to work state , a couple even sued and lost. But here they stay. Then I come home and jump on a forum and l read about how paying customers of an Icelandic game maker can't stand Icelandic game makers....that they keep paying to make a game...

I was wrong. Saying "insane" isn't going too far Twisted
Zihao
Doomheim
#58 - 2015-09-21 18:37:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Why work someplace you hate when you don't have to?


The CCPatriarchy bro.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#59 - 2015-09-21 18:42:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
New guys will come if you leave. Maybe they will stay and see something else what you saw and they will stay.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#60 - 2015-09-21 18:52:16 UTC
lol that noob got rekt

Not today spaghetti.