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Optimal upgrade path? What should I be doing?
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Qwess Shaun
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-09-11 18:12:04 UTC
I haven't played for a while but I have a Dominix set up with decent drone skills (2m sp) to do a 350mm, armor repair, sentry drone setup that works for lvl 4s.

Are incursions with a good group superior in isk/hr, fun, effort/hr compared to lvl 4s? I hear there can be a lot of down time and waiting. Some days if I wanted to I could do 12 hour sessions and most days I can do 6 if I want, would L4s be better overall for this style of play?

I have unlocked Minmatar battleship already as I planned on going Machariel, but I heard that Machs aren't wanted that much in Incusions and people want Vindicators. Is this true? Explain if you can. I wanted to go Mach to be able to blitz L4s but I'm not sure if it would be better to train for Vindicator instead (aka LHT vs LPT etc).

If I do transition to Mach should I go for an armor tank or wait for shield skills then use a shield tank? I could also change my dominix to be shield tanked first (which would boost dps by a lot). I also have been searching for a good resource for fits.

If I go for vindicator and blitz how much slower is it compared to mach (esp considering warp speeds)? Or would it be better to kill everything in a vindicator and not blitz?

If there are other ships I should go for, tengu/proteus/ishtar etc or other ships please let me know. I think a pirate BS would be much faster to skill for with my current skill setup.

Also are there any generally good or bad LP stores or items, I'm trying to use that LP conversion site, buts its been really boring and slow going through items, I feel like buying faction ammo just to convert to isk faster.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2015-09-11 18:40:37 UTC
Qwess Shaun wrote:
IAlso are there any generally good or bad LP stores or items, I'm trying to use that LP conversion site, buts its been really boring and slow going through items, I feel like buying faction ammo just to convert to isk faster.



I'm just focusing on this part.


Honestly - and I'm trying to be pleasant here - do you really expect anyone to give you a substantive answer? Do you think that people will just gratefully spoonfeed you this information (information that they've probably work hard to acquire), only for you to come along and crash their market? Ok, you probably won't crash it, but you'll be one more competitor. They might've spent a long time gleaning this info, and wouldn't want a Johnny-come-lately just busting in to their sphere - I know I wouldn't.

Have you done any research on this matter? Yes, the LP conversion site isn't the best, but you have two fantastic tools at hand - the ingame market window, and your brain! Add time, and a pad and pencil, and you have the route to your answer.

To briefly address your other questions, Incursions are a more social activity, but as you say, there can be a lot of downtime and waiting around. The rewards are pretty good, though. For a more consistent income, L4 blitzing would be the way forward.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Qwess Shaun
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-09-11 19:26:43 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Qwess Shaun wrote:
IAlso are there any generally good or bad LP stores or items, I'm trying to use that LP conversion site, buts its been really boring and slow going through items, I feel like buying faction ammo just to convert to isk faster.



I'm just focusing on this part.


Honestly - and I'm trying to be pleasant here - do you really expect anyone to give you a substantive answer? Do you think that people will just gratefully spoonfeed you this information (information that they've probably work hard to acquire), only for you to come along and crash their market? Ok, you probably won't crash it, but you'll be one more competitor. They might've spent a long time gleaning this info, and wouldn't want a Johnny-come-lately just busting in to their sphere - I know I wouldn't.

Have you done any research on this matter? Yes, the LP conversion site isn't the best, but you have two fantastic tools at hand - the ingame market window, and your brain! Add time, and a pad and pencil, and you have the route to your answer.

To briefly address your other questions, Incursions are a more social activity, but as you say, there can be a lot of downtime and waiting around. The rewards are pretty good, though. For a more consistent income, L4 blitzing would be the way forward.


I didn't ask for the best LP items in teh game bro, I asked for something that is generally good so I can convert LP to isk fast, fast implies at a loss b/c I'd rather have more isk now even if that means taking a loss. Ill do the research later, right now I'd rather start plexing my account as I'm doing enough eve research for everything else.

I've made around 300m net isk and have 100k LP in only a few days of running missions slowly and badly, but ive been busy and haven't been able to play so I only have two weeks left on my account, so I might have to cash in my LP before I have time to go through more items and find something with an excellent conversion rate.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2015-09-11 20:16:34 UTC
If you're just looking for a quick return on your LP - and are not bothered by abysmal exchange rates! - ammo or attribute implants always move relatively quickly without the necessity of gathering tags. Once you've bought yourself some breathing space, you can do your research.


Get a Mach later for blitzing - you simply can't beat it for mission completion rapidity.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-09-12 01:54:08 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
If you're just looking for a quick return on your LP - and are not bothered by abysmal exchange rates! - ammo or attribute implants always move relatively quickly without the necessity of gathering tags. Once you've bought yourself some breathing space, you can do your research.


Get a Mach later for blitzing - you simply can't beat it for mission completion rapidity.

A very good answer and straight to the point.

Just wanna add that certain Hardwiring Implants are also very good market items too.



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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-09-12 02:12:59 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Qwess Shaun wrote:
IAlso are there any generally good or bad LP stores or items, I'm trying to use that LP conversion site, buts its been really boring and slow going through items, I feel like buying faction ammo just to convert to isk faster.



I'm just focusing on this part.


Honestly - and I'm trying to be pleasant here - do you really expect anyone to give you a substantive answer? Do you think that people will just gratefully spoonfeed you this information (information that they've probably work hard to acquire), only for you to come along and crash their market? Ok, you probably won't crash it, but you'll be one more competitor. They might've spent a long time gleaning this info, and wouldn't want a Johnny-come-lately just busting in to their sphere - I know I wouldn't.

Have you done any research on this matter? Yes, the LP conversion site isn't the best, but you have two fantastic tools at hand - the ingame market window, and your brain! Add time, and a pad and pencil, and you have the route to your answer.

To briefly address your other questions, Incursions are a more social activity, but as you say, there can be a lot of downtime and waiting around. The rewards are pretty good, though. For a more consistent income, L4 blitzing would be the way forward.


considering fuzzworks gives all the isk/lp ratios there aren't really any secrets these days. and plenty of people have been giving away their secrets for years on the forums, even back when you could get 3-5k isk/lp on a good item. Also given these days you can just convert concord LP, 2k isk/lp is almost a hard cap. It is rare to see something over that. FW/L5 LP floods the navy stores, and burner missions are starting to flood some of the other stores. so even 2k is starting to get rare

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/lpstore/

anyways this is probably the best post I've seen on the subject:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5583928#post5583928

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Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#7 - 2015-09-12 06:52:16 UTC
Vindicator is much preferred in incursions because of the need for high dps vs high burst. There is a fair bit of tower bashing in HQ's, which need dps to make less painful.

I would definitely recommend getting your shield skills up. Most if not all serious incursion communities run shield fits, and even if you do stick with missioning, shield tank will allow you more dps, hence faster completion times.

I'd definitely think it's worth it to do incursions. Even if you have to wait an hr to get into fleet, if you run sites for 5 hours you'll likely make around 120-150 mil isk per hour (so 600-750 mil per session) plus you'll get LP, probably around 16-20k per hour (80-100k per session) which is easily converted to 1k cash, or an addition 16-20 mil per hour (80-100 mil per session). So yeah, you can make boatloads of isk running incursions.

That said, sometimes there are no incursions to run, sometimes you have to move from site to site, sometimes you can't get into fleet. Even given all that I'd still bet on incursions being the better isk maker.

Plus playing with other people is always more fun than playing alone, if you know what I mean Blink
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2015-09-12 14:13:41 UTC
All these hours spent grinding away so you can raise the 1 plus billion ISK that a plex costs, one wonders why?

If spending your game time grinding for ISK /LP so you can plex is your idea of fun then go for it.
Otherwise why not just spend the $15.00 U.S. per month and then be able to do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it and not have to worry about how much ISK/LP you are making.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-09-12 15:11:57 UTC
some people either don't have that option or prefer to get the money to pay for it with ISK.

As for Machs in incursions, you'll be able to get in fine, might want to go arty fit though otherwise you'll burn through ammo like a fat kid and cake.

Machs are also viable shield or armour fit so don't need to worry about that.

Art of Explosions
Sheeth Athonille
TerraTroopers
Get Off My Lawn
#10 - 2015-09-12 15:43:09 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
All these hours spent grinding away so you can raise the 1 plus billion ISK that a plex costs, one wonders why?

If spending your game time grinding for ISK /LP so you can plex is your idea of fun then go for it.
Otherwise why not just spend the $15.00 U.S. per month and then be able to do whatever you want, whenever you want to do it and not have to worry about how much ISK/LP you are making.


I can't comment for other people, but for me personally I don't have the money to pay for a subscription, but I do have time. I guess being a college student'll do that to you P
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#11 - 2015-09-20 18:24:03 UTC
Sheeth Athonille wrote:

I can't comment for other people, but for me personally I don't have the money to pay for a subscription, but I do have time. I guess being a college student'll do that to you P


Mate, don't get me wrong, but mixing "don't have the money to pay", "I do have time" with "college student" simply doesn't work.
If you have free time, you may pick up a one day/piecework (Been there, assembling bicycles for $3/piece), prepare and sell reports for someone else or simply work part-time in the college you study in. In fact, last way will make sure that everyone will know you more or less, giving more chances to catch some opportunities, not to mention long list of commendations and something to write in "Your work achievements" graph in your resume.
Zihao
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-20 18:38:38 UTC
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
Sheeth Athonille wrote:

I can't comment for other people, but for me personally I don't have the money to pay for a subscription, but I do have time. I guess being a college student'll do that to you P


Mate, don't get me wrong, but mixing "don't have the money to pay", "I do have time" with "college student" simply doesn't work.
If you have free time, you may pick up a one day/piecework (Been there, assembling bicycles for $3/piece), prepare and sell reports for someone else or simply work part-time in the college you study in. In fact, last way will make sure that everyone will know you more or less, giving more chances to catch some opportunities, not to mention long list of commendations and something to write in "Your work achievements" graph in your resume.


Please listen to and take this advice.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-09-21 05:50:58 UTC
Not everyone lives in a country where there is a good US$ exchange rate or even necessarily any jobs.

As far as ISK/LP the lazy option ( that returns OK but not great value for LP) is run SOE at one of the SOE 0.5 security level IV mission hubs and sell the probes/asteros/launchers that you cash your LP in for down at Amarr which has no SOE hub so prices tend to be better.