EVE General Discussion

I was born and raised in James 315's Highsec and have only ever heard horror stories about old-highsec.

I was wondering if some of you older players could regale me with tales/accounts/summaries of highsec from before the New Order came to power.

I fear that a lot of what I've heard about it may be coming from bias sources.

Like for example, were Ice anomalies really as bad as they say, filled with dozens of completely untanked and AFK mackinaws? (Sounds like a ganker's utopia to me)

Thank you for honest answers.

Depends how long before we're talking about.

Long before, highsec was actually unsafe. Any gate along the pipelines would be covered in CONCORD from recent ganks, and you could end up killed in almost any belt rather than just a select few. There were also far more ways of getting killed — mainly a myriad of aggression games where you'd end up a legal target because of some intricacy of the crimewatch system.

People cried a lot, of course, and crime was nerfed and nerfed and nerfed again to the point where the stories you've heard happen: there was no threat whatsoever, so people started doing really stupid things. The words “tank” and “paying attention” disappeared from the vocabulary of miners and haulers alike, replaced by “AFK” and “waaah, I was killed — griefing!”. That's why CODE was born: so the numpties could relearn some of the old vocabulary. So far, of course, they've failed completely at achieving this goal.



…although some would argue that a bigger problem was how there were no belts because the mass mining fleets sucked them all up, and only left infinite fields of anchored cans in their place.

Believe it or not... high-sec was "bloodier" and more dynamic than it is now.

Ice-belts were static.
Barges and hauling ships were less tanky.
Freighters could not min/max their stats to be extra tanky (or less tanky).
Not many people knew of the webbing trick.
Ships that were used for ganking were reimbursed by the game's insurance system.

Wars decs were cheaper.
More people actually fought wars or haggled with the aggressors rather than capitulate and hide.
More aggressors actually talked with the defending corps and struck deals (ex. "Give me one big fight and I'll leave you alone").


In general: people took more precautions and actually put more effort into staying safe. And ganking did not have all the logistical hurdles it has today.

There was honest high sec piracy and nobody said he is saving anybody or anything.

it was less like being hassled by traffic wardens.

Certainly was less attention-whoring on the forums from filthy RPers

Not really noticed much difference.

Aside from a few CODE infested systems (mainly between Dodi and Hek) most of hisec is business as usual and CODE is just something to scare newbie miners with before bedtime.

High sec was not too much different, but the forums were most definitely better before CODE.