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Plex hits 1b ISK in Jita

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Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#461 - 2015-09-20 01:29:06 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Tippia wrote:


No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.



LMAO, now you're trying to tell me the RL price of a plex has no effect on the isk price? The people who use RL cash to buy plex want value for money which I understand. This is the kind of logic you refer to as insane. God knows how you got all those likes, you talk ****.


You should really stop posting because you make absolutely no sense at all.


Does this guy not make any sense either?

A plex sale for people and ccp



From your own article:

"CCP can run all the sales they want, but unless players en masse feel there’s a need for a quick infusion of liquid isk, it won’t change players’ desire to spend their cash buying PLEX from CCP."

So no, people aren't going to buy cheaper plex because the need for plex is not there to support it at any price. The deflationary pressure of items in this game, and the lack of expensive end game goals now have led us to no longer need isk infusion.

Again, we need Content. PVP, PVE, PVB, PBJ anything, Content.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#462 - 2015-09-20 02:59:40 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
[quote=Aaron]
So no, people aren't going to buy cheaper plex because the need for plex is not there to support it at any price. The deflationary pressure of items in this game, and the lack of expensive end game goals now have led us to no longer need isk infusion.

Again, we need Content. PVP, PVE, PVB, PBJ anything, Content.


Pretty much.

One or two PLEX will get you a carrier or a level IV fitted Marauder or incursion capable logi or Pirate BS or pay for a stack of PvP capable smaller ships.

There is nothing to motivate people to buy PLEX in big quantities even if they were half thecurrent real cash price.
Zihao
Doomheim
#463 - 2015-09-20 05:30:34 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
There is nothing to motivate people to buy PLEX in big quantities even if they were half thecurrent real cash price.


Characters, soon to be re balanced capital ships, citadels, etc.
Beta Maoye
#464 - 2015-09-20 07:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Beta Maoye
What else would you expect when unlimited amount of money are printed everyday?

The problem of overwhelmingly supply of isk can be mitigated if isk can be used to purchase items in New Eden Store and those isk spent is removed from the game. Items that can be purchased by isk should be separated from those that can be purchased by aur for the purpose of preserving the value of aur.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#465 - 2015-09-20 08:16:06 UTC
PLEX used only for game time and not exchangable to anything else, as it was when I started playing, will not make it magically lose its value, maybe it will only slower the climb rate, but if these speculators are so clever, I dont expect even that. There will be those sell orders for 1B as long as there is less PLEX than people are willing to buy.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#466 - 2015-09-20 13:09:06 UTC
I live in a country where my salary is nowhere near the level of anyone earning the minimum wage in any western country yet i still subscribe 2 accounts and I have done so for 2 years now. there is no way i could grind the amount necessary to plex both accounts- i have neither the time or the inclination.

plexing your account is a privilege not a right. If you want various accounts, pay for them with irl cash and suddenly the price of plex is not at all important
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#467 - 2015-09-20 13:25:26 UTC
Tam Arai wrote:
I live in a country where my salary is nowhere near the level of anyone earning the minimum wage in any western country yet i still subscribe 2 accounts and I have done so for 2 years now. there is no way i could grind the amount necessary to plex both accounts- i have neither the time or the inclination.

plexing your account is a privilege not a right. If you want various accounts, pay for them with irl cash and suddenly the price of plex is not at all important


I think it is wrong that part of your post will be seen as irrelevant and will be ignored by most of us including CCP. All I will say that it is great that you are able to pay for a sub and remain in the game, some people may not be as fortunate. Based on the responses I have had I don't think anyone will be prepared to do anything to make it easier for people to plex 2 or more accounts.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#468 - 2015-09-20 13:26:55 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Based on the responses I have had I don't think anyone will be prepared to do anything to make it easier for people to plex 2 or more accounts.

So what you're saying is that you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention. I also can't help noticing that you ignored the main gist of his post…
Salvos Rhoska
#469 - 2015-09-20 13:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Tam Arai wrote:
I live in a country where my salary is nowhere near the level of anyone earning the minimum wage in any western country yet i still subscribe 2 accounts and I have done so for 2 years now. there is no way i could grind the amount necessary to plex both accounts- i have neither the time or the inclination.

plexing your account is a privilege not a right. If you want various accounts, pay for them with irl cash and suddenly the price of plex is not at all important


PLEX is not a "privilege". Its a commodity that is bought into the universal game world with RLM.
Ingame, it is acquired from them with ingame money earned rightfully from the game environment.

There is nothing "privileged" about any of that.
Any and all PLEX are sourced from CCP with RLM.
This "privilege" is extended to anyone, and everyone, who pays for it, and hence is no privilege at all, as it is available to everyone.

The only difference between you and other people buying PLEX either outside of game, or within it, is they live in countries, or work jobs, that earn more or less than you in yours, or they earn more or less than you ingame.

So the privilege is vested in them living in a country in which they can earn more than you, or they have jobs which earn more than you, or they have less dependant costs than you, or they play harder ingame than you, or they play smarter ingame than you.

None of which have to do with PLEX itself being anykind of "privilege".

In anycase, since you dont buy PLEX from outside of the game, nor within it, you have nothing to do with the PLEX cycle.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#470 - 2015-09-20 13:44:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Based on the responses I have had I don't think anyone will be prepared to do anything to make it easier for people to plex 2 or more accounts.

So what you're saying is that you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention. I also can't help noticing that you ignored the main gist of his post…


I get the gist of his post. He has said he feels it's not viable for him to plex his 2 accounts, he has endorsed subbing multiple accounts in order to avoid the plex price.

I think that you've ignored the part where he said he's not inclined to grind the amount needed for 2 plex, why can't I analyse part of what he has said?

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#471 - 2015-09-20 13:48:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Aaron wrote:
I get the gist of his post. He has said he feels it's not viable for him to plex his 2 accounts
He said it's not needed. He says that if he doesn't need it, then no-one else really does either.
Put another way: the price of PLEX — in or out of game — is not a problem.

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I think that you've ignored the part where he said he's not inclined to grind the amount needed for 2 plex
No. That's part of why you missed the point.

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why can't I analyse part of what he has said?
Because you fail to take the whole into account. That's the consistent error you've made all through your continued failure to construct a coherent argument.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#472 - 2015-09-20 14:00:12 UTC
Tippia has understood the main point of my post

It would be great if I could play for free but I am happy to pay for something that I enjoy
Salvos Rhoska
#473 - 2015-09-20 14:02:32 UTC
Tam Arai wrote:
It would be great if I could play for free but I am happy to pay for something that I enjoy


There is no play for free.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#474 - 2015-09-20 14:26:36 UTC
Tam Arai wrote:


There is no way i could grind the amount necessary to plex both accounts- i have neither the time or the inclination.



All I am suggesting is that there needs to be some sort of change, make it so that people are inclined to to take the time to grind for a plex. Our numbers are dropping and I think this is part of the reason.

I get that plex isn't just used for game time. If anything can be done to prompt the plex traders to lower their isk price it should be done as soon as possible so that we don't have anymore people desubbing their main or extra accounts. Numbers are dropping in Eve and it is important to address ALL the reasons why.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie

u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
#475 - 2015-09-20 14:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: u3pog
Many people say they can not afford PLEX at it's current price, yet it is roughly 20% more than it was last month. It's not like it is double or triple cost now. I keep wondering how did these people afford anything at all? If you were barely able to grind for PLEX when it was say, 900 mil, how did you buy ships, modules, etc.? And, since the PLEX is going to get more expensive on the long run, how will you deal with it once it hits 2 billion?

New players are in bad situation, but so was I when I began playing back in 2008. PLEX was less than 300 million, but it was way harder to earn that, so I don't see how are we in any different position today?

Think of it as being cheap right now...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#476 - 2015-09-20 14:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Aaron wrote:
All I am suggesting is that there needs to be some sort of change, make it so that people are inclined to to take the time to grind for a plex.
Why the hell would you ever want people to grind for anything? Grinding is a fundamental failure of game design, and is a plague on MMOs to the point where it has become an informal, much-maligned sub-genre that rightly gets laughed at because of how stupid an idea it is. Making people more inclined to grind is not a way to keep them around — quite the opposite: the less they're inclined to grind, the better.

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Our numbers are dropping and I think this is part of the reason.
No. The numbers are not dropping because people aren't grinding. Enticing them to grind more is not a solution, nor is enticing more people to use PLEX. What you want is more players to subscribe, because that's what builds developer confidence and allows for long-term investments.

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If anything can be done to prompt the plex traders to lower their isk price it should be done as soon as possible so that we don't have anymore people desubbing their main or extra accounts.
You are effectively asking for the market to be irrational. That's not a good thing, nor is it something that should be promoted or forced to happen.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#477 - 2015-09-20 15:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Aaron wrote:
All I am suggesting is that there needs to be some sort of change, make it so that people are inclined to to take the time to grind for a plex.
If you're willing to grind for a PLEX you're welcome to do so, don't assume that other people feel the same. IMHO playing to pay is one of the fastest ways to kill the primary purpose of playing games, fun.

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Our numbers are dropping and I think this is part of the reason.
PCU is not subs, the relationship between them is tenuous at best when you consider the use of alt accounts for the purposes of scouting, cynos, trading etc.

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I get that plex isn't just used for game time. If anything can be done to prompt the plex traders to lower their isk price
Intervention by CCP in the PLEX market is something that should only be done after considerable deliberation and discussion of the ramifications of doing so by their in-house team of economists, who incidentally have a far deeper knowledge of Eve's economy than you. It is not a step they would take lightly as it goes against the idea of a player driven economy, which is a mainstay of Eve.

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it should be done as soon as possible so that we don't have anymore people desubbing their main or extra accounts. Numbers are dropping in Eve and it is important to address ALL the reasons why.
Online numbers are down from historical highs due an infinite number of reasons. Those reasons might include the price of PLEX, changes in the game, the state of the real world economy, real life in general, solar flare activity, alien mind rays from Alpha Centauri, the price of tinfoil haberdashery, Goons (grr) etc; there again, they might not.

The only people that are going to have anything close to a clue as to why the PCU is lower than it has been in the past are CCP. That said, the PCU appears to be fairly stable at the moment, at least for the last few months.

If and when CCP decides that PLEX prices are a problem they will look into what can be done about it, and whether or not doing anything at all would be a good idea in the first place; that's why they have a team of economists on call.

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Amarr Empire
#478 - 2015-09-20 16:32:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The only people that are going to have anything close to a clue as to why the PCU is lower than it has been in the past are CCP.


Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
that's why they have a team of economists on call.


No! Lies!

Aaron knows better than them all. I believe!

When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces...do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?

Zihao
Doomheim
#479 - 2015-09-20 16:54:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

PLEX is not a "privilege". Its a commodity that is bought into the universal game world with RLM.


PLEX is not a "commodity," it's a series of bits in memory somewhere on a server bought into the game universe with algorithms.

Actually, since we're going to be obnoxiously literal and obtuse to idiom, PLEX is just a bunch of vibrating sub-atomic matter.
Salvos Rhoska
#480 - 2015-09-20 17:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Zihao wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

PLEX is not a "privilege". Its a commodity that is bought into the universal game world with RLM.


PLEX is not a "commodity," it's a series of bits in memory somewhere on a server bought into the game universe with algorithms.

Actually, since we're going to be obnoxiously literal and obtuse to idiom, PLEX is just a bunch of vibrating sub-atomic matter.


You just face-planted.
Hard.

Its clear you have been hurt either on this account or another, and desperately want to strike back anyway you can.
But in this instance, you really should re-evaluate what you just said, pick up your teeth and be on your way.