EVE General Discussion

Please talk to him about the tier system. This would be the perfect time for CCP to remove that ancient artifact from the game.

Bots were covered in our session with ~Security~ but we can't really talk much about this until the minutes come out.



Are you talking about Tier 1 / 2 / 3 ships or what?



It was a three day long summit about spaceships. There's not really a way to TLDR it.

They are being written now with an eye to get them out ASAP. I'd guesstimate that they will almost certainly be done before the end of the month, at least that's the desire. Unlike the emergency summer minutes, there doesn't appear to be much effort to water down the info and, aside from a few specific things getting 'black bars', should make for very good reading.

sorry about my last post.. couldn't resist

Arr, he's not a man he's a machine.


I am curious about the coming dev blogs about that are hinted at in the summuary and the notes of the CSM.

I do agree with Jade though that it is time to rethink the whole Aurum/Nex store/Incarna integration and make it so that the promised fullness of eve (eventually) can grow into the area of ambulation. There are many options but simply letting it sit there blocking other promising paths that ambulation can take and enhance the sandbox that is eve with more immersive gameplay isn't one they should entertain.

I agree...sorry, but minutes should not take this long to get out after the meetings. I guess we can expect them to land in about 3 months, when they're about useless, just like the last ones.

We only need the Mittani. One man to rule them all.

You know, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I think I'd prefer redacting as opposed to the spin we usually get. wtb minutes with black bars (as opposed to minutes that are 3 paragraphs long)

Being the guy responsible for the minutes (and the current delay - for that I apologize) I'd like to grab the opportunity to describe what is involved in creating the minutes.

Writing up the minutes, i.e. from audio to text, is done both by me and the CSM (we split the sessions between us). Before the text is sent anywhere beyond that group (of me and the CSM) the CSM reads it over and approves what I have written up and I in turn theirs. Only then the text is forwarded to the people who sat the meetings on behalf of CCP. They then have to approve the text, or if they make some content changes to it I forward it back to the CSM for approval.

I try to make sure that the minutes are as honest as possible, describing the conversation going on in the meeting room while being easy to read in terms of flow and style.

I'll be the first to admit that this is most likely not the easiest way to do things and there have been suggestions of having a professional stenographer doing this work, and while I haven't tried that approach I suspect that many of the more EVE specific things would simply be lost once that will be turned into actual minutes by such a person (as the meetings are very informal and jumping to and from topics happens regularly - making the raw transcript a very unpleasant reading material) - it would probably mean just as much work for me and the CSM to do properly (again, I haven't tested this so I cannot state this as a fact).

And the number of people having to read over and approve the minutes will not be reduced by that approach.

The current status is that little less than half of the minutes has been written up and approved, while the rest is still being worked on. But with the holidays over I expect the speed to pick up and I and fully expect them to come out the door before (or perhaps on) Friday the 13th.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the EVE player base. You all have collectively brought a positive change to the game and got CCP back on take despite the utter failure of the CSM.



Although they may continue to take the credit, it was the players and players alone who made the difference. All of you you forced CCP to take notice and look past the absurd recommendations of a select few, many of which were "elected" through a flawed system that was easily exploited. To the players, well done. Without you we would not be where we are today, and neither would EVE Online. You undid the downward spiral, and even though the CSM now take credit for your/our cause, we will allow them to continue to blow hot air as they always have. We the player base have spoken.

The CSM can continue to float, sputter and "talk" like they always have.










Now, lets read my SIG.