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Chill out thread Volume three.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-09-19 17:26:53 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
The artists dance - tradition dictates that they are naked, but painted in vivid colours and motifs associated with the piece being played - and their movements draw forth the music of the aether.

For Maker's sake!
This isn't art! This isn't music! This even isn't expression.

This is FILTH, DISGRACE and DECADENCE.

Shame on you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-09-19 17:52:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
The artists dance - tradition dictates that they are naked, but painted in vivid colours and motifs associated with the piece being played - and their movements draw forth the music of the aether.

For Maker's sake!
This isn't art! This isn't music! This even isn't expression.

This is FILTH, DISGRACE and DECADENCE.

Shame on you.



I assure you, aside from the body paint everyone is quite clean. It is deliciously decadent though.

You should try dancing ecstatically, caressed only by the breeze sometime. Might help with all that unhealthy repression.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-09-19 18:08:08 UTC
Actually, returning to the topic.

I don't really have any favorite artists. Especially singers. Cmon, our squad in the academy was singing better during marches than any scene 'singer'. Oh, and of course I'd like to put out that gallentean "music" is too unprofessional. Sometimes their music don't even have melody, their singers just yell. Not as hard as minmatar music, of course. Minmatar music is real torture to the ears. I probably would love Amarr music... if it wasn't so slow...

I really prefer professional Caldari music. And no... no, of course not NOH songs. Whomever will point on that would risk having my slipper flying in direction of their forehead. I mean - real, modern Caldari professional music. Something like important CEO speaking it plays on background. Or even better - admiral. They really can make it sound better, sometimes even better than their speeches. I love also ancient drum music, with huge huge drums and beating a rhythm. It gives you feel of power and preparedness.

Generally I can say I love professional made music in major scale and built on quarts (melodic perfect fourths), and I would really love hearing short, fast and precise drumlines within the rhythm.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-09-19 18:12:52 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
The artists dance - tradition dictates that they are naked, but painted in vivid colours and motifs associated with the piece being played - and their movements draw forth the music of the aether.

For Maker's sake!
This isn't art! This isn't music! This even isn't expression.

This is FILTH, DISGRACE and DECADENCE.

Shame on you.



I assure you, aside from the body paint everyone is quite clean. It is deliciously decadent though.

Delicious?! They are NAKED!
This isn't delicious! This is GROSS and disgusting!

Skyweir Kinnison wrote:

You should try dancing ecstatically, caressed only by the breeze sometime. Might help with all that unhealthy repression.

How about...
... NOPE!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2015-09-19 18:59:56 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Delicious?! They are NAKED!
This isn't delicious! This is GROSS and disgusting!


So you find yourself disgusting, do you?
Markus Error
Manfios
#26 - 2015-09-19 23:56:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Not as hard as minmatar music, of course. Minmatar music is real torture to the ears.

Only true if one considers "Minmatar music" to be solely death rustcore and similar. Credit where credit is due, however, the Caldari make excellent music when not singing on the march or trying to mimic Amarrian chanting.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

-Unknown

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-09-20 09:41:43 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Delicious?! They are NAKED!
This isn't delicious! This is GROSS and disgusting!


So you find yourself disgusting, do you?

Can you read, goon? I was writing about naked.
Can you see, goon? I am not naked.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2015-09-20 09:55:59 UTC
I can, indeed, both read and see. And yet you are naked beneath your clothing. When you clean yourself, you are naked. When you get into the pod, you are naked.

So I put it to you again: Do you find yourself disgusting? You. Yourself. You are not your clothing. You exist separately from the clothes you wear. Do you find yourself disgusting?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-09-20 22:25:41 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I can, indeed, both read and see. And yet you are naked beneath your clothing. When you clean yourself, you are naked. When you get into the pod, you are naked.

So I put it to you again: Do you find yourself disgusting? You. Yourself. You are not your clothing. You exist separately from the clothes you wear. Do you find yourself disgusting?

It doesn't matter if you are naked under clothes, under capsule, in shower or in bed. Because you are always covered by something and nobody see you.

As for disgust? No. We aren't simply our bodies, because bodies are simple projections of us into this world. They are tools we interact with our surroundings. As for bodies themselves, in general - no, they aren't disgusting as well. But there are parts of these bodies that are disgusting. Not by themselves, of course, but by association they are used for. You see, products of humans don't have good look or smell, neither they are hygienic. They are... unpleasant. And in civilized society you cover body parts that are associated with body functions. Other thing is that humans look like... animals, with hairs like everywhere. And again in developed societies you cover body to show yourself more "advanced" than just animal.

Of course, there is even more important thing about clothes. They show your position in the society. By looking at clothes you can simply distinguish a medical officer from a clerk. A corporation manager from factory worker. A navy officer from security staff. And even in the same field clothes can help you distinguish rank of people even if you can't read insignia, for example, you don't have to know ranks and read insignia of a private and admiral to understand that admiral outranks a private.

Without clothes, without your uniform you won't just feel naked, you will see yourself deprived of your place of society, of your purpose, of your pride in something you have achieved. Uniforms make humans from us. Even in ancient times warriors and field workers had distinguishable clothes. Every warlord, line soldiers of different squads, field workers, all had different equipment. Plain soldiers could even wear different colors to show their belonging to a certain division, so warlords could see their positions during the battle and command maneuvers accordingly.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-09-21 00:04:24 UTC
Alesius Lerance wrote:
Apologies to the original proprietor



Did you get my lawyer's letter yet?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#31 - 2015-09-21 00:06:05 UTC
So you define yourself by external measures, and gauge your worth in comparison to others while being revolted by parts of you that are no less well-formed for their purpose than your fingers and hands.

How very telling.
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#32 - 2015-09-21 06:09:32 UTC
When I'm chillin', which is like a lot of the time, I always like listening to a lil Roc Wieler.

I like rap too. Candi's an amateur rapper n' I sometimes listen to her at home.

The more angry she gets the better it is. She can really cut some sick tunes n' dank beats yo.


Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-09-21 06:56:42 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
So you define yourself by external measures, and gauge your worth in comparison to others while being revolted by parts of you that are no less well-formed for their purpose than your fingers and hands.

How very telling.

Oh, I see. That goon instead of discussing the question prefers to discuss the author. Well, I guess it's my turn to return the favor.

Really, I have noticed this goon's lack of ability to maintain civil conversation and tried to shrug her off. She insisted on asking questions, so I gave her proper answer. It looks like she didn't really had intentions to discuss the matter, but rather take words of her opponent (who was this time me) to turn them against the author and make false assumptions just for insulting.

Smart peoples, who want to know about me, simply ask questions. Goon - makes false assumptions. This is, unfortunately, a typical behavior of a goon, an inhabitant of lawless and empty space. They play toy soldiers in their pity empires and think they are "somebody" now. By her "speech" you can see typical lack of education and civil norms. Goons show mutual disrespect and offensive behavior, they are known to make "jokes" by insulting each other. A real proud citizen would never become a goon and allow others to talk like that to them.

But I guess we all should say thanks to goon leadership for them taking thrash out from Empire space and throwing it in useless uninhabited lawless nullsecs. Now only if they could also prohibit them using NeoCom at all and use only their local system channels to talk, they would be golden.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2015-09-21 07:27:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
So you define yourself by external measures, and gauge your worth in comparison to others while being revolted by parts of you that are no less well-formed for their purpose than your fingers and hands.

How very telling.

Oh, I see. That goon instead of discussing the question prefers to discuss the author.


Well, considering I asked the question, I think you'd have to admit - I'm the one who knew why I was asking it, and what I was looking for in your answer. If you'd prefer to expand upon your thoughts, feel free. However, I do want to point out, I'm not the one who initiated conflict in a 'chill out' thread by denigrating and insulting someone else's choice of musical diversion.

Quote:

Really, I have noticed this goon's lack of ability to maintain civil conversation and tried to shrug her off. She insisted on asking questions, so I gave her proper answer. It looks like she didn't really had intentions to discuss the matter, but rather take words of her opponent (who was this time me) to turn them against the author and make false assumptions just for insulting.


You use clothing to delineate who you are - and in fact, of the two functions you give for clothing, you assign the greater importance ('even more important thing about clothes' - your words, not mine) to showing 'your position in the society', and establishing rank, even in civilian positions where there is no rank, specifically in order to know who outranks who - comparative worth.

You said those things, and you consider me restating them - no assumptions, just acknowledging your words - to be an insult? I fear, Ms. Kim, that you should perhaps examine your reactions, and what they might mean.

It's also quite interesting that you feel a culture of mutual teasing is a sign of disrespect, rather than the implicit respect required to engage in such behavior. One must, after all, trust one's co-workers not to take offense when none if intended, and to respond with an equal absence of malice. And, lest you think this a 'goon' phenomenon, the same patterns of behavior exist within many of the corporations in the State, including - from personal experience - Lai Dai and Caldari Navy.

I am, of course, more than willing to admit that it's quite likely you've never seen that side of the people around you, though. As I said: it requires a certain degree of trust that the other person will understand your intent, and not become offended. People relaxing enough to let their guard down around one another is a sign of inclusion.

Perhaps you should also consider why it is they don't relax around you.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-09-21 09:25:50 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
However, I do want to point out, I'm not the one who initiated conflict in a 'chill out' thread by denigrating and insulting someone else's choice of musical diversion.

Oh, now now, looks like goon forgot to read.
Should I grab your head and press your nose to neocom screen so you could see your first reply at least this close, really? Invite me to your quarters for this easy exercise, I'll show you where you did your mistake, goon.
Free following etiquette lesson will be included. Medical insurance at your expense though.

Arrendis wrote:

You said those things, and you consider me restating them - no assumptions, just acknowledging your words - to be an insult? I fear, Ms. Kim, that you should perhaps examine your reactions, and what they might mean.

If you didn't understand something - ask. Or repeat word to word as I said. Using other words to claim "I said this" is a simple and stupid lie. A lie about Caldari officer is an offence against Caldari officer and Caldari State. My reactions to hostile behavior is... straightforward and unveiled hostility including my tone, words I choose and points I reply to.

Arrendis wrote:

It's also quite interesting that you feel a culture of mutual teasing is a sign of disrespect, rather than the implicit respect required to engage in such behavior.

Respect includes honor, humble behavior, politeness... it is clearly seen you lack basic understanding of respect. Teasing is a clear and definite sign of disrespect. Every citizen in the State have to pass three years obligatory military service, during which everyone is properly taught what the respect and proper behavior does mean... provided they didn't learn it beforehand.

Arrendis wrote:
One must, after all, trust one's co-workers not to take offense when none if intended, and to respond with an equal absence of malice.

When the offense is not intended, one is to bring apology to another. Honorable citizen should be able to step over its pride, admit mistake, ask for forgiveness if he feel he did something wrong, and humble accept the punishment. As well as on other hand, honorable citizen must keep its pride if he acted right and was defending himself, yet should humble accept the punishment if rules were broken.

Arrendis wrote:
And, lest you think this a 'goon' phenomenon, the same patterns of behavior exist within many of the corporations in the State, including - from personal experience - Lai Dai and Caldari Navy.

You haven't met our sarge. He wouldn't simply press your head into neocom screen as I have suggested earlier, but would do it with his foot. But eh, he was a superior officer back then. As for mutual respect during the academy, my fists quickly were showing others why shouldn't they disrespect those, who is slightly different from them. Even if there were many of them, even if I couldn't win... they always knew I will never surrender. Well, it was early years. Couple years before I became a capsuleer we were properly respecting each other and fighting together, saving each other ass. But anyway, we were equals. I hope you don't consider an outlaw nullsec refugee being equal to Caldari officer?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-09-21 09:37:00 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I am, of course, more than willing to admit that it's quite likely you've never seen that side of the people around you, though. As I said: it requires a certain degree of trust that the other person will understand your intent, and not become offended.

People don't usually get offended if you don't act offending to them. Of course, sometimes misunderstandings appear, but it is rather easily to see if this misunderstanding causes offence or discomfort to other party, so you could bring apologies and fix mistakes. Lack of respecting behavior is offending. Discussing others is offending, unless you were asked for personal advice. Teasing is offending. Lying is offending... No, really, I probably should stop here.

Arrendis wrote:
People relaxing enough to let their guard down around one another is a sign of inclusion.

Perhaps you should also consider why it is they don't relax around you.

Before I have joined the Academy, I was learning in the monastery. My master, waking me each morning with his wooden pole by striking to my stomach to see if I can reflect it, was always telling me: If you relax, you let your guard down. If you let your guard down, you can be attacked when you aren't ready. If you can be attacked when you aren't ready, you can be easily killed. And if you can be easily killed, you don't worth to live anyway.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#37 - 2015-09-21 14:58:48 UTC
I, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, most beloved by some, source of ire for ever more, decrees that Kimmy is beyond all hope of reason. Please stop trying to make her see that, and just continue to treat her as my angry court jester.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#38 - 2015-09-21 16:46:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
However, I do want to point out, I'm not the one who initiated conflict in a 'chill out' thread by denigrating and insulting someone else's choice of musical diversion.

Oh, now now, looks like goon forgot to read.
Should I grab your head and press your nose to neocom screen so you could see your first reply at least this close, really?


So I initiated conflict in my first reply, did I? Would that be my first reply in the thread, discussing the music of Wanderer, or my first reply to you, where I asked you a question in response to:

Diana Kim wrote:
Delicious?! They are NAKED!
This isn't delicious! This is GROSS and disgusting!


and several posts after

Diana Kim wrote:
For Maker's sake!
This isn't art! This isn't music! This even isn't expression.

This is FILTH, DISGRACE and DECADENCE.

Shame on you.


But I initiated conflict. Ms. Kim, I do have to reiterate: You are the single greatest recruitment scam the Gallente Federation has ever perpetrated. Please convey my congratulations to your handlers within GalInt.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-09-21 17:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Arrendis wrote:

So I initiated conflict in my first reply, did I? Would that be my first reply in the thread, discussing the music of Wanderer, or my first reply to you, where I asked you a question in response to:

Diana Kim wrote:
Delicious?! They are NAKED!
This isn't delicious! This is GROSS and disgusting!

That wasn't addressed to you, yet you jumped into defense of the enemy. This actually makes you the enemy as well. You don't have to be a scientist to understand such sort of relation.

Arrendis wrote:

But I initiated conflict. Ms. Kim, I do have to reiterate:

So you chose to be an enemy of Caldari officer and Caldari State. Dully noted.
Well, a lot of gurista hate law enforcement and Caldari military arms for we wipe floor with your butts. Especially gallentean lovers like you. You can continue attacking us and screaming in impotent rage, but this will change nothing, and your words will never become true.

Arrendis wrote:
You are the single greatest recruitment scam the Gallente Federation has ever perpetrated. Please convey my congratulations to your handlers within GalInt.

And followed by a typical lie and insult about Caldari officer. Well, at least I hoped you would try to make up something more... realistic. Alas, I have really overestimated your mental abilities.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#40 - 2015-09-21 21:19:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

That wasn't addressed to you, yet you jumped into defense of the enemy. This actually makes you the enemy as well. You don't have to be a scientist to understand such sort of relation.


Nor was what you replied to addressed to you. I haven't leapt to anyone's defense - I asked you a question because your response indicated an extremely unhealthy self-image, and I was curious.

Quote:

So you chose to be an enemy of Caldari officer and Caldari State. Dully noted.
Well, a lot of gurista hate law enforcement and Caldari military arms for we wipe floor with your butts. Especially gallentean lovers like you. You can continue attacking us and screaming in impotent rage, but this will change nothing, and your words will never become true.


Why would I attack the Caldari State? I'm actually in very good standing with the State. Rather don't like the Federation, either - I feel they've been a corrupting influence and they're given to an anarchistic mob mentality with a thin veneer of organization in the name of 'democracy'. But you keep going on conflating the State's interests with your own wounded pride.

I do find it highly amusing that you'd lump me in with the Guristas there, though. Haven't a clue, really, have you?

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