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Allow Crystal set on Capitals Boosters

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TrickyBlackSteel
Black Consuls
#1 - 2015-09-17 10:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: TrickyBlackSteel
Hello ,we all know that capital armor ships have their set of tank(slave set),usually the Shield one have to choose to agility +5 % shield.
Why wouldnt we allow Crystal set to work on capital boosters?we would see more content,more interesting fits on supers/dreads.
Excuse me if there is a topic like mine somewhere,i couldnt find it!
Trobax
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-09-17 10:54:38 UTC
Supers use shield boosters? rly?

Unless you talking about creating a new set of implants that add slave effects on shields and crystal effects on armor.

There is a logic behind each set. Shield boosters use a lot of cap and therefore crystals help minimize operation.
Armor Repairers need to wait on cycle time to deliver , therefore increase in buffer helps.

If you get primed in a cap, you are dead, doesn't matter if you got crystals or not. Plus that might give a competitive edge to shield tanking caps. Think triage and add the cumulative effect of crystals.
TrickyBlackSteel
Black Consuls
#3 - 2015-09-17 10:59:41 UTC
But what about slave?the armor position have their tank,what about the shield one?nothing!Lets make the crystals still available for shield reppers but with penalty or smth like that
Trobax
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-09-17 11:15:08 UTC
Hence i said

"Unless you talking about creating a new set of implants that add slave effects on shields and crystal effects on armor."

Ancillary Capital Reppers could be a thing of the future. Or Capital Shield extenders to buff up shield HP.

But crystals to work on Capital Reppers? Just don't see it happening
TrickyBlackSteel
Black Consuls
#5 - 2015-09-17 11:20:42 UTC
Ye probably you right (Yin and Yang)
Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2015-09-17 13:45:57 UTC
+1 to this idea, I've been saying it for years.

Trobax wrote:
Supers use shield boosters? rly?

Not all capitals are supers, Brobax.

I'd love a crystal boosting Nag or Chim for w-space.

Why would it be a bad idea for shield caps to be useful instead of just armor?

Armor for large engagements (buffer).
Shield for small gang (active).

EVEN IF active chimeras became popular for triage, NEUTS always win.

Explain again why this is a bad idea?
Trobax
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-09-17 14:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Trobax
Jak'at wrote:
+1 to this idea, I've been saying it for years.

Trobax wrote:
Supers use shield boosters? rly?

Not all capitals are supers, Brobax.

I'd love a crystal boosting Nag or Chim for w-space.

Why would it be a bad idea for shield caps to be useful instead of just armor?

Armor for large engagements (buffer).
Shield for small gang (active).

EVEN IF active chimeras became popular for triage, NEUTS always win.

Explain again why this is a bad idea?


Not all caps are supers, very astute observation, i was specifically referring to the remark about supers. Look up original post.

Neuts always win, even when it comes to the mighty archon (triage archon is active too).

Never said its a bad idea, but if you run the numbers, triage + crystals bonus might prove to be a bit OP, including Capital rigs that help reduce capital shield booster's capacitor usage and cycle speed.

It sure is inline with the nature of shield tanking. Use the booster less for more cap conservation. But then you talk about w-space, you need to look at the implications that will arise in all space, W and K.

Slaves benefit supers, but crystals do not ( you need to consider that too). Factor everything into the equation, not just the point of view that serves your gameplay better, and then you end up with a dilemma that CCP will have address. For the moment, it ain't broke so why bother fixing it.

Finally,

Trobax wrote:

Hence i said

"Unless you talking about creating a new set of implants that add slave effects on shields and crystal effects on armor."

Ancillary Capital Reppers could be a thing of the future. Or Capital Shield extenders to buff up shield HP.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#8 - 2015-09-18 07:48:11 UTC
There are implants for superpilots that are NOT highgrade slave sets?
Trobax
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-09-18 08:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Trobax
FireFrenzy wrote:
There are implants for superpilots that are NOT highgrade slave sets?


HG-1008 comes to mind

Argument is , slaves benefit Caps and Supers (armor), but crystals do not (shield)

CCP should run the number, and if crystals do not provide too big an advantage for Capital Boosters, then they could allow it. But i seriously doubt that.
General Guardian
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-09-19 16:26:52 UTC
Or they could allow command links to buff local reps on capitals. That would be fun.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-19 17:51:03 UTC
Better idea, disallow slaves implants to work on capital ships.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#12 - 2015-09-20 07:14:39 UTC
not to long ago a titan (a levi if memory serves) exploded that had been logged off for long enough (returning player to eve) that it had faction modules and a t1 (not even meta 1) shield booster fitted...

It looked rather weird... The problem is that supercaps arent "supposed" to be solo boats and if you want to drive by doomsday someone or something you have enough brick ehp that it shouldnt matter if you have a few, or even a few tens, of thousands of tank repping after action is just better...
Trobax
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-09-20 07:39:17 UTC
I think original poster was thinking Shield capitals only, the remark on supers was probably a mishap.

Supers will be unaffected from crystals (unless they invent the superbooster- meh).

The links post could be fun, provided that links are on grid with the capital. So ehp buff to the max your command ship and engage.

Maybe petition ccp to run the numbers for crystal bonuses under triage-siege. Would help the niddy a lot too





Anneka Rice
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2015-09-20 22:36:47 UTC
Nope Shield caps don't need them. shield caps all ready tank way more than armor and for the most part have more EHP so why do we need to change that?
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2015-09-21 01:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
Anneka Rice wrote:
Nope Shield caps don't need them. shield caps all ready tank way more than armor and for the most part have more EHP so why do we need to change that?

all shield capitals? are you sure about that?
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#16 - 2015-09-21 07:55:57 UTC
There was talk, a long while ago now, of a Slave Crystal set and a Crystal Slave set - An armour set which boosted rep amount and a shield set which boosted raw HP (and would be viable on shield capitals).
It seemed to have some traction for a while but then disappeared off the radar...
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2015-09-21 10:32:20 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Anneka Rice wrote:
Nope Shield caps don't need them. shield caps all ready tank way more than armor and for the most part have more EHP so why do we need to change that?

all shield capitals? are you sure about that?


The Caldari ones tank more than the Amarr ones (tank bonus's) and the Minmatar ones have more ehp than the Gallente ones (support/DPS bonus's) so yes seems fine to me.

Shield caps are harder to fit, armor fits can be done on the cheap were as shield needs isk to make them worth it.. but when you don't fit your capital ship like a scrub like its a T1 cruiser hull they are very good.

Phoenix is the highest tanking dread and also the best at blaping right now. The nag is used alot in WH space with both armor and shield fits, Chimera Has the largest Active tank in the game and can have cap stable tanks above 30k dps if fitted right and 60k+ Burst tanks. Wyvern has the 2nd largest EHP's after the Leviathan both of which are more than any thing else in the game.
Levi has coolest DD in the game now and is also 2nd fastest after the rag, the rag haveing the best DD for killing armor supers is the fastest and also has more EHP than one of the other Armor titans. Nidhoggur is the best at RR'ing (quickly saving something like a pos) and has pretty much same tank as a nice fit archon if you spend some isk on it. and the Hel's are the only thing that can get close to a gang of wyverns in terms of active tanking each other while also been the fastest caps in the game.


So erm yer We don't need your help CCP plez don't mess with us.....
Anthar Thebess
#18 - 2015-09-21 12:20:52 UTC
Before you mess in the implants check what is the difference between shield and armor capitals, include passive regen, shield boost at the beginning of the cycle , reps amount you can get from the modules, and all the stuff.
Currently the best super is Wyvern , especially when you have more than one and can use remote repper.

Shield supers currently don't need boost, like caldari carrier.

Are you aware that phoenix can easily have few million EHP on a very cheap faction fit - now give it a crystals affecting shield boost.

Don't brake when something is not broken.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-09-21 13:05:40 UTC
*cringes in horror at a Crystaled Swaglfar*

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal

LT Alter
Ryba.
White Squall.
#20 - 2015-09-21 17:40:45 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
*cringes in horror at a Crystaled Swaglfar*


I was thinking the same thing.. Shocked
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