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Fitting a Sleipnir

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Oscae
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-14 01:50:13 UTC
So I'm currently training into a Sleipnir, and have been playing around with a few fits.

I was wondering if it would be better to use 2 XLASBs or a single DS XL booster supplemented with a cap booster?

They both seem to have their own set of benefits and I was wondering if any of you have any preferences on how you fit your Sleipnirs and which is the better option.

Cheers,

Oscae
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2015-09-14 04:13:27 UTC
I prefer dual XLASBs on my Sleipnir. There's a few reasons why I prefer it to going with a single XL booster:

1. You really need to pimp up the booster, DG won't really cut it, you want a minimum of Pith C-Type
2. You need dual cap boosters to fuel it properly, without dual cap boosters you'll barely be able to run it and will be incredible susceptible to cap warfare.
3. Cause of the dual cap boosters you can't have MWD/Scram/Web and I really like a web on my fits, they are incredibly useful.
4. Claymore does single XLSB + Dual Cap booster much better, it can have a web and it all fits very nicely on a Claymore.
5. Sleipnir has the fitting for dual XLASB with a cheap fit due to it's ability to downsize guns to Dual 180s which the Claymore doesn't get.

Now all that being said, single XL Booster is definitely viable on a Slepnir and a solid choice, it gives you far more sustained tank over time as well as a longer tank life since it doesn't consume boosters as fast as an ASB fit does. However you need dual cap boosters to do it, don't even bother with one.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#3 - 2015-09-14 04:14:25 UTC
Oscae wrote:
So I'm currently training into a Sleipnir, and have been playing around with a few fits.

I was wondering if it would be better to use 2 XLASBs or a single DS XL booster supplemented with a cap booster?

They both seem to have their own set of benefits and I was wondering if any of you have any preferences on how you fit your Sleipnirs and which is the better option.

Cheers,

Oscae

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#4 - 2015-09-14 14:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
For a PVE Sleipnir, a medium Gist A type booster is sufficient. I am pretty sure it perma runs as well. Anything more is overtanked.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Oscae
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-09-14 14:54:43 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
I prefer dual XLASBs on my Sleipnir. There's a few reasons why I prefer it to going with a single XL booster:

1. You really need to pimp up the booster, DG won't really cut it, you want a minimum of Pith C-Type
2. You need dual cap boosters to fuel it properly, without dual cap boosters you'll barely be able to run it and will be incredible susceptible to cap warfare.
3. Cause of the dual cap boosters you can't have MWD/Scram/Web and I really like a web on my fits, they are incredibly useful.
4. Claymore does single XLSB + Dual Cap booster much better, it can have a web and it all fits very nicely on a Claymore.
5. Sleipnir has the fitting for dual XLASB with a cheap fit due to it's ability to downsize guns to Dual 180s which the Claymore doesn't get.

Now all that being said, single XL Booster is definitely viable on a Slepnir and a solid choice, it gives you far more sustained tank over time as well as a longer tank life since it doesn't consume boosters as fast as an ASB fit does. However you need dual cap boosters to do it, don't even bother with one.


This was my line of thinking too, but the fitting for XLASBs requires serious gimping of the lowslots for pg/cpu; with a single DS booster I can drop a CPU mod and put in a tracking enhancer, also the cap boosters provide some kind of neut resistance.

For Anize, I'm gonna be using it for WH PvE/PvP + on grid links sometimes, just want to keep it survivable
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2015-09-15 04:07:43 UTC
Well a huge part of going with dual XLASB is that you can have a completely cap-independant tank. You can put 2 small nos in your utility highs which when staggered properly will allow you to permarun your tackle under even the heaviest neut pressure. Your guns and tank don't take up cap so your ship can essentially function without any cap as long as there's a target nearby for you to nos.

As for the fitting modules required, it's not too bad if you drop to dual 180s, you can still get like 700+ dps with a Sleipnir with dual 180s and you benefit from the excellent tracking. Also, like I said before, DS booster is really lackluster, it just consumes more cap than a T2 while not providing any additional boost, if you're insist on going with single XL booster, go with a Pith C-Type at the least.

I'd post some fits of what I use and some sample XL + Dual Cap Booster once when I get home if I remember.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-09-15 11:12:13 UTC
I prefer having a Large and X-L

Allows much more variation in the mids

so your base would be:

X-L
L
Kin deflection amp

Then your last 2 slots could go:

AB
MWD
scram
point
Cap booster

etc

Having 2 X-Ls just requires too many slots and gimps yourself far too much. Great small gang bait but not so great for anything else.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2015-09-16 04:51:50 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I prefer having a Large and X-L

Allows much more variation in the mids

so your base would be:

X-L
L
Kin deflection amp

Then your last 2 slots could go:

AB
MWD
scram
point
Cap booster

etc

Having 2 X-Ls just requires too many slots and gimps yourself far too much. Great small gang bait but not so great for anything else.


It's really not that bad. Some sacrifices have to be made but you're still flying a ship more than capable of holding it's own.

[Sleipnir, Dual XLASB Cheap]

'Deuce' Co-Processor I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

Shield Boost Amplifier II
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II


Hobgoblin II x5

It only requires 2 fitting mods and the bling is very minimal (30mil for the scram, 40 for the co-processor). People always seem to scoff at Dual 180s but you get excellent tracking and 720dps with RF short range ammo, and you hit 900 with Hail and heat.

Both utility highslots are utilized and are very useful, neut screws over frigates trying to get under your guns as well as neuting off their scram (I live in lowsec where AB frigs are very common, in other space you might consider 2 small nos for even more cap resilience). Nos allows you to keep your scram active even under very heavy neuting pressure and that's pretty much your only active module once you're brawling.

With just a blue pill (no links no implants) you're tanking 1740dps over 40 seconds, so if you stagger your boosts long enough to get a reload on another booster (60 seconds) you have an effective tank of about 1100. Your cargo can hold just under 4 reloads with a reasonable amount of ammo giving you about 400k EHP if you run through your entire cargo of boosters. This gets silly with implants and links.

You can also make it even cheaper by dropping the Shield Boost Amp for a web (or any other midslot module) this frees up a bunch of CPU and you can use a T2 Co-Processor instead.


So yeah, it's still an excellent fit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying single XL + Cap booster or XLASB + LASB are not good, they have their advantages (larger neuts and guns being the big ones) and disadvantages (less tank, weak to neuts, more expensive) compared to the Dual XLASB fit. However calling the dual XLASB Sleipnir 'good for small gang bait and not much else' is just a completely wrong statement.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#9 - 2015-09-18 03:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Oscae wrote:
So I'm currently training into a Sleipnir, and have been playing around with a few fits.

I was wondering if it would be better to use 2 XLASBs or a single DS XL booster supplemented with a cap booster?


It's rather simple,
without links, you should go 2 ASBs always. They'd only benefit from the resist link to start with anyways.
using links, always go Pith X-type + 2 med CBs or gist X-type+CB+invuln.

Blue pill is mandatory 24/7, if you can't afford real crystals, use *ghetto-crystals* (meaning alpha, beta and delta with +10% shieldboost amount for 90 mil ISK last time I bought those)

@Dato, pls fix that junk. Take a compact mwd, a *dyad* co-proc, upgrade two 180s to 220s, use 2 smalll neuts.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-09-18 05:18:43 UTC
I'll just drop the mr hyde clip here since no one else has yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFB03FMc7g&feature=youtu.be
https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/13790/1506467522898034688

yea okay, maybe a little blingy, I imagine you could downgrade a few mods and come out alright. CN web/scram are both cheaper, use the same fitting, but lose a little range.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2015-09-18 05:36:38 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I'll just drop the mr hyde clip here since no one else has yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyFB03FMc7g&feature=youtu.be
https://o.smium.org/loadout/private/13790/1506467522898034688

yea okay, maybe a little blingy, I imagine you could downgrade a few mods and come out alright. CN web/scram are both cheaper, use the same fitting, but lose a little range.


It is EXTREMELY blingy. Mostly because the RF Gyros are required for CPU purposes. Also the faction co-pro he's using is like 100mil.

However it is possible to downgrade the web/scram to CN, drop one gyro for a nano and run 2 T2 gyros instead of 3 RF gyros. Alternatively to make it even cheaper you can drop the nano and use T2 co-processors. This will also allow you to de-pimp your scram/web and you end up with a reasonable T2 fit while rocking 425s like this:

[Sleipnir, HYDE XLASB 425 (fork)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II


Hobgoblin II x5


However my issue with this setup is my Dual 180s with 3 gyros only does like 15less dps with much better tracking. The 425s do get more range and more dps so it's up to personal preference really.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2015-09-20 05:20:00 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/kill/45009349/

This has served me well for pvp. Downside is a lot of folks run when the see a sleipnir on dscan.