EVE General Discussion

The only things Plex horders have to really worry about is:

A) There is never enough trade volume to do a dump on the market of large quantities for profit. Even at the current prices you wouldn't be able to sell 1000 Plex and make much money from earlier this year, the Buy orders aren't there to support large dumps.

B) If the servers close, or CCP cancels the plex program you are sitting on huge piles of Anaconda Mines.

I guess B isn't that big of a deal because if the servers close who cares about your in game assets anyways.

Just because a person closes their account due to Price of Plex now, doesn't mean they will never come back if the price was imploded on the market.

Yeah but it would be nice to have some parity in the IRL price of Plex. I mean depending on your country of origin you could be paying as much as 60% more than the guy from New York.

Also 2x plex for character transfer when its equivalent price is $20 is a scam. CCP is collecting more from those Plex than they would from the actual service with paypal or a credit/debit account.

Thats fine.
I have no interest in talking with you either as you are too slow and too far behind to understand what is happening, or the points being raised.

Its like trying to explain chess to a child who cant yet understand beyond naughts and crosses.

You are fixated on irrelevant personal subjective moral imperatives which skew your perspective and have no bearing on the real situation. As most idealists, you are blinded from seeing and dealing with what IS, by what you think SHOULD be.

Currently $19.95 for one...that's the regular price. Of course, bigger packages slightly reduce the price per.

Grr capitalists? That's something you don't see every day in EVE. PS you know who's hoarding all the PLEX? Goonswarm Federation as they rake in all that ISK from anom buffs. Now we have a grr goons post to cancel out that grr capitalist post.

Im not capitalist. Im a male working in Finland as a nurse. Im quite strongly socialist.
Infact tomorrow Im going to join a nationwide protest against an "austerity" plan by our government that plans to cut nurse/policeman/fireman income (already underpaid) and that of most blue-collar workers in a very bad and irrational solution to fixing our nations debt and competition issues.

However, I do understand realpolitik and its economic attachments.
Political affiliation or inclination is all subjective compared to that.
And those apply emminently here, in EVE.

There is no fair way to help "those who want to PLEX 3 extra accounts".
EVE's systems are brutal and competetive.
If they cannot afford to sub 3 accounts, nor make the isk ingame to buy 3 PLEX with 3 accounts, thats too bad, but thats all there is to it. Then use 1, or those which you can afford. Who the hell do you expect to pay for the other 2? The rest of us?
Guys like you give the kind of real socialism I represent, a bad name.

-PLEX will not drop till the last few PLEX dependant players have liquidated their final assets and dropped their remaining accounts.
Considering how many multihundredbillionaires there are in the game, that end is nowhere near in sight.

-Understand that your view is narrow only to the poor. But they are not the only ones PLEXing their accounts. There are any number of super-rich players who can, and will, continue to PLEX even at billions per unit. This is only the beginning of the PLEX inflation.

-The influx of PLEX to the game, is quite isk price inflexible. People buy PLEX primarily based on their expendable income, not on the price of it in isk. Buying PLEX IRL doesnt cost isk, it costs real money. People bought PLEX when it was 750 mil last year. Unless they got a raise IRL in the interim, they are not likely to buy 2 PLEX now just cos it earns em a few more spacebucks. Remember that most of these players are also paying sub ontop of that.

-The sheer quantity, and duration, of PLEX buying/hoarding off the market has already managed to overcome a long sequence of tight and strong factors that "should" have rationally reduced PLEX prices already long ago, many times. Instead it has risen, and continues to do so.

-The sheer quantity of stockpiled PLEX is nigh impervious to the small rate of new PLEX introduction. The latent value of their existing stockpile makes it fiscally rational to buy a PLEX fff the market for a 0.01isk loss, (and yes, its only and just the same old 0.01isk game) if it means your 0.01isk more expensive one is bought afterwards. THAT raises the prices, and you lost nothing.Not only did the PLEX you bought off the market not go towards saturating demand (as a sub, and hence destroyed), but you got the same PLEX back into ypur inventory at almost no cost, and raised the value by 0.01isk. Winwinwin.

-There is a sinister strategic impetus to controlling and raising the PLEX market, in that it deprives your opposition (particularly weaker ones) of cheap PLEX with which to man their defence and space. The higher PLEX rises, the less opposition you will face, as accounts drop like flies.

As I said earlier:
-He who controls PLEX, controls the universe.

You are only beginning to understand what is involved and its implications, and that only by my teaching.
Frankly, you should be paying me for this out of gratitude.

You seem like a capitalist in game and a socialist in RL. kinda odd if you ask me.

The threads I've read also state that they are having problems plexing 1 account. I have been very active on forums recently and my general point is that it is our attitudes that shape the game. If we ignore the gripes about the monthly plex grind then we will be viewed a certain way.

There's nothing you can teach me, you can give me your opinion and I will consider it. Man up and face facts, You choose to ignore the opinions of plex users like many others and you dismiss the point that more plex sales is a good thing. I know this will have an effect on numbers and we will see more people leave. People like you want too much too fast and never consider the implications.

The plot thickens.

@Aaron: Thanks, but, the reasons are probably a combination of everything, up to and including some CCP listings to help calm the market... CCP has no price target, but reserves the right to intervene when the rate of increase gets over a certain threshold.
But this relatively small increase in availability could be less dire than speculators dumping everything. It could be smart dollar-cost-averaging; list 5 here, 10 there - concerned about a possible CCP intervention, and have some liquid isk available to buy more PLEX if it drops below the speculator's own target.