EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

No, I claim to be a member of HYDRA and suggest this might be a pretty straightforward troll that has succeeded.


Yes.

That's essentially what I've already said reworded in such a way as to make it sound like making wild guesses is somehow more noble and wise than accepting the limits of your knowledge.


I didn't claim to be anything more than a long standing member of HYDRA and only that after being accused of being a HYDRA alt. I've not claimed to be one of the Warlords or Camel AT teams. The last time I was in an AT team it was under the HYDRA ticker and nowdays my questionable past, PL affiliations and distinct lack of talent prevent me from competing alongside Warlords in the AT.

I've also made it abundantly clear that my knowledge is insufficient to make a determination about this controversy. I'm advocating we discuss the things we can actually discuss and leave the wild conjectures out of it.

My apologies, I admit the limits to my knowledge, I wasn't aware that HYDRA was anything but an AT team.

I admire your loyalty to your alliance and your sterling attempts to white knight it during this thread. You've had little to work with and some large logic holes to skirt around.

Yeah, so back to the troll that backfired.

CCP opened an investigation into the matter which would only have happened if someone had submitted evidence via support ticket to warrant an investigation. This, I think we can agree, would be a ticket from DHB Wildcat because no-one else could submit the ticket on his behalf as they can't claim veracity over logs they've actually copied of a random website. No-one else has the insight into what really went on that he had.

A ticket he would never have submitted in the first place according to DHB had his team Captain not delivered an angry post aimed at him in response to his actions.

So this is why, assuming it's a troll at all, it's backfired. Hydramel had not intention of giving up their scheme, they've used it for 4 years and an elaborate troll isn't the way to get rules changes. It's detrimental to their income and makes no logical sense as to why this would all be a method to force CCP into 'fixing' the tournament from being fixed.

Not to mention, people who know DHB think he's too e-honoure to go in for this kind of thing.

I mean, your attempts are valiant, but you're relying on no tangible evidence being left in the client and none of the 24+ members of the Hydramel team folding out of self-preservation - from CCPs point of view it will only take 1.

Even if that does happen, Hydramel forfeits 2.5 Tril at least annual income, with rules changes that only affect Hydramel.

So yeah, it's a backfire if it's a troll.

Apparently not.

We can't discuss the current AT rules and what improvements need to be made to them?

We can't discuss the current AT tournament structure and how that can be improved?

We can't discuss the place that AT ships play in the AT meta and the overall EVE economy?

We can't discuss the unstable nature of the EVE community and it's horrendous groupthink?

You feel that there is nothing constructive or valuable to add to this thread? Only more trolling, insults, rage, ignorance and hysterics?

Ok. I suppose it's just /thread then.

Stop making sense !

I think we're in agreement that it should be a competition between teams, this was highlighted by PL before the tournament started and as it progressed. This led to rules clarifications CCP made as best they could. Ultimately, it seems it wasn't enough. It's not like CCP hasn't been liberal, in this thread alone I've highlighted several other ways that Hydramel could have achieved exactly the same effect without actually breaking any rules, but it seems to some this is no fun unless you break a few of the rules. This is where the danger is for Hydramel, CCP have given them scope to do what they've been doing for years now so this is more of an insult to CCP than anything else. We've already all agreed that Hydramel would have won just as easily without cheating. So I think this removes CCPs choice, they will clamp down on all forms of collusion. Which isn't a bad thing, afterall it's an Alliance Tournament, if you can't get 24 people in your own alliance to run tests then guess what, you're not an alliance.


It's a question of balance. It's undeniable AT ships are crowd pleasers, people like to see them on the line and 'sploding, but they are inbalanced and the points cost should start to reflect this. Great if you have them and want to use them, but they should never be the same points cost as the same class of hull. I don't see many people arguing with this.


Personally, I hate the 'community' endless whining and personal attacks made directly at CCP employees. Yet they're expected to sit there and endure it endlessly with only perfectly polite responses, they can't ignore it because it would offend the delicate little flowers and they can't give an emotional response because of expectations of 'professional behaviour'. I think the situation is stupid and an indictment on modern humanity. It's not an Eve thing, it's not a gaming thing, it's a moronic culture that breeds entitlement. I rarely get involved, I don't often read eve-o, reddit or any of the others. I saw it in 2006 it hasn't changed any since.



Basically no, we're all waiting for the outcome of CCPs Investigation and killing time until it's complete. Sure, I enjoy posting and it's made me smile with various defences of Hydramel and what appears to be one guy cycling alts to post implications that PL somehow cheated by losing - ignoring the fact that PL doesn't profit in doing this.

I just like to argue and this makes a change from baiting Americans on pl.com

IF the guys running the AT from CCP fail to resolve this then yous may as well get a job at FIFA

You mean Warlords of the Deep, right? Or are you talking about mother Hydra and her offspring Camel and Warlords?

Hydra doesn't have an AT team. I understand the confusion though, and I think that's at the heart of CCP's inquiry.

No, I mean HYDRA RELOADED.

But following your lead and taking this all completely out of context, you can call me a Warlords Of The Deep member instead, I was only a member of Warlords for the blink of an eye, but nbd.

It's somewhat harsh on Camel to claim that they are merely the offspring of HYDRA RELOADED when they in fact originated as an entirely separate entity and have their own independent tournament pedigree. Indeed, it was that independent tournament pedigree along with their small gang focus that led HYDRA in to a training partnership with them in the first place.

If you say so.