Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, it is. Otherwise, you have zero rational argument behind this "CCP givz me moar iskies now!!!!11one1" rant thread, and it will be reported as such.

I haven't heard of any nerf to belt ratting. There is just an order to it and it takes time.

people post because they want to post, thats fine.
I'm not trying to convince morons who just want to spam or people asking for evidence mereley because they can, I dont need their approval or their vote.
This thread is directed at CCP who ruined one of chil things in their game, its up to them to return content or not, if they want people to log in and play, which there is iteratively less and less motivation to do that,... vOv

I guess its the reduced spawn-rate of faction spawns there with increased supply regardless from other sources and thus significant drop in prices. That happens when you get more people in the game. ^^

They removed chainspawning, thats what killed belt ratting. Belt ratting for faction spawns never was a thing. The price for officer modules has been fairly stable for the last years so the spawnrate didnt change there aswell.

Adding more faction spawns , will just decrease value of the stuff they drop, so after some buff, every thing will go back to the starting point.
I think that there was no real nerf to faction spawn rate, simply buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites.

The biggest nerf to belt ratting came when reprocessing was changed.
When years ago i was belt ratting split bounty vs loot was around 40 to 60% , so if CCP halved the refining of the lot hard , belt ratting got significant hit to income.

There is no simple solution to this, as to many things changed.
Belt ratting is now the less profitable thing you can do in nullsec ( if you exclude the mining )

 buff to escalation rate on sov signatures hit hard this like pirate faction LP stores and all combat sites.

Quite simple.
When i got to nullsec and started to farm belts , faction spawn was the possibility to get the most valuable stuff BPC for a ship.
Now , because to the buff of escalation rate , BPC prices dropped drastically.
For example , BPC for nightmare was over 700mil then, now like 350mil .
In some cases price drop is even more significant - rattle snake cost now around 160mil.

If you look at the faction stuff prices from the PVP perspective , then yes - lower price is better, but when you look at the price from the NPC null sov residents, then this changes a lot.

People living in NPC space don't have sov anoms, and most of the isk come from this faction stuff.

Balance between NPC null and Sov space was lost long ago , and because of this big pirate groups harassing sov space in many places also died , or are trying to get some sov space instead of being the best content provider for all sov alliances around.

Also Burner Missions allows people who farm them with several pullers to bring in excessive amounts of Pirate Store LP which reduced the value of most BPCs and module drops.

The Spawn rate of Faction Spawns has not changed.

CCP removed chain-spawning, as well as belts resetting after DT. (Hunting belts after DT used to be the best way to find rare spawns). which nerfed belt ratting as a stable income, escalation changes and burner missions nerfed belt clearing for faction spawns.

I think adding in some nullsec only NPCs (Like Clone Soldiers, or Mordus rats) but for another faction/purpose with exclusive ship BPCs, or another kind of mechanic would probably be the best way to get people to care about belt ratting again.

it has.

years ago I was belt ratting a lot, I've found 1-2 faction spawns a day usually on regular basis.
then months later, suddenly, you would rat for weeks and not find a single one, for 2 months, then I quit doing that.
You might say it was just bad luck, going from 200 to 5 but I dont think so, also had other people who confirmed the same.




I dont care about the prices, this thread is not about the prices

This seems like the best solution.