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TheMercenaryKing
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#1 - 2015-09-16 13:06:40 UTC
Hey Guys, I am hoping someone can answer a couple of questions I have that will save me hours of testing.

In a BioChem reaction like Standard Bluepills, we have 2 inputs and 2 outputs. 100 water and 20 Amber Cyto in and 95 water and 15 Pure STD Blue Pills come out.
In an Improved blue pill, we need 3 inputs: 15 Pure STD Blue pill, 15 Pure STD Crash, and 100 oxygen and have 2 outputs: 12 Pure improved Blue pill and 95 Oxygen.
(numbers might be wrong, doing this off memory)

So this is about the water an oxygen.

I know we can do a setup where each input has a silo and each output also has a silo, with the exception of the pure STD Pills going to a reactor to become improved blue pills. Also, each silo can only have 1 input or 1 output, so any silo sending out material cannot also receive it.
For example, these setups will not work:
Silo1 > Reactor1 > Silo2 > Silo1
Silo1 > Reactor1 > Silo2 > Reactor2 > Silo1
Silo1 | Silo2 > Reactor1 | Reactor2 > Silo3 (Reactors share the same output) target

This means I am stuck with a the only possibility being
2 Silos into a reactor with 2 linked outputs (2 silos or 1 silo and 1 reactor).

So my first question is this:

Quote:
Can you make a biochemical reaction have an output targeted to an anchored/offline silo and chose to lose the materials?


Now my Second question:
Quote:
If I offline a silo (say the destination Hazardous Silo) mid process and then re-online it within 5 minutes, does that hour cycle become a loss? Assume I am off/onlining it well before the end of the cycle.
Tau Cabalander
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#2 - 2015-09-16 18:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Reaction chains cannot have loops.

Can you make a biochemical reaction have an output targeted to an anchored/offline silo and chose to lose the materials?

Wouldn't even need to route it to an actual structure.

If I offline a silo (say the destination Hazardous Silo) mid process and then re-online it within 5 minutes, does that hour cycle become a loss? Assume I am off/onlining it well before the end of the cycle.

Reactions occur every tower tick, when the tower consumes fuel (check the calendar for minutes past the hour when the tower runs out of fuel). That's the only time it matters to have anything online.
TheMercenaryKing
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Pandemic Legion
#3 - 2015-09-16 18:51:33 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:


Can you make a biochemical reaction have an output targeted to an anchored/offline silo and chose to lose the materials?

Wouldn't even need to route it to an actual structure.


What do you mean by this? From what I tested, the process would not even run unless the output water has a link to some structure to receive it. It would never enter the "Online - Starting Up" phase after hitting apply.
Tau Cabalander
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#4 - 2015-09-16 22:01:28 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
What do you mean by this? From what I tested, the process would not even run unless the output water has a link to some structure to receive it. It would never enter the "Online - Starting Up" phase after hitting apply.

Last time I tested (been a long while), a reactor would run with only inputs routed.

"Online - Starting Up" means it is waiting for the next tower tick to do anything. It is nice to see, but really isn't important.

Also, thanks to the buggy POS code, you should always wait at least two tower ticks for start-up to change to online, and sometimes a reactor won't start until after the next downtime.

"The city is flying and we're fighting an army of robots. And I have a bow and arrow. Nothing makes sense. " - Hawkeye

Did I mention that POS code was buggy?
TheMercenaryKing
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#5 - 2015-09-16 22:10:26 UTC
So I let a pos run for a few hours on SISI with 2 reactions. Neither ran. One had only the pure booster as an output link and never entered Online-starting up or other production states. The other had Online Starting up but the process never began as the target silo for water was only anchored.

I know I should look forward to the new POSs, but really? a production system that doesn't allow loops or trashing?
Tau Cabalander
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#6 - 2015-09-16 22:23:29 UTC
For what it is worth, coupling arrays are better for joining structures when you don't need storage.

They also are great for holding low volume materials, like minerals.
TheMercenaryKing
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Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-09-16 22:27:10 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
For what it is worth, coupling arrays are better for joining structures when you don't need storage.

They also are great for holding low volume materials, like minerals.


But in this situation, with booster manufacturing, the couplings cannot hold water, oxygen, hazardous materials, or pure boosters.
Tau Cabalander
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#8 - 2015-09-16 23:04:04 UTC
TheMercenaryKing wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
For what it is worth, coupling arrays are better for joining structures when you don't need storage.

They also are great for holding low volume materials, like minerals.


But in this situation, with booster manufacturing, the couplings cannot hold water, oxygen, hazardous materials, or pure boosters.

A coupling array can hold everything that a normal silo can hold.

Sorry, I thought they could hold water. My mistake.