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[Proposal] Voting Software for CSM Elections.

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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#1 - 2012-01-04 08:14:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
CSM Vote time comes around, when you login, vote screen comes up, you MUST vote. May or may not include a donkey vote - haven't thought about that much yet. I'm interested to hear what people think.

This way everyone gets a voice.

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?

It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because the majority of people aren't really being catered for by the CSM.

Edit: Please keep in mind only 15% of people voted in the past election ! (awful).

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-04 09:15:26 UTC
Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.

So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign.

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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#3 - 2012-01-04 09:19:06 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because a handful of little babies are upset at CSM6 actually getting **** done and have a lot of alts to post feeble anti-CSM trolls on .
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#4 - 2012-01-04 09:28:06 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.

So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign.


So you're saying a random selection would be worse than having what will probably be an all 0.0 CSM from now on ?

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-04 09:42:40 UTC
Nothing is stopping empire candidates from organising a CSM campaign of their own except their lack of competence and effort.

And as highseccers are so fond of telling us, 80% of players live in highsec and have no interest in 0.0 matters at all, so taking the Chair position on some sort of Empire First platform should be like candy from a baby, right?

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-04 12:47:53 UTC
I am all for this, but only if *I* get to write the software. Twisted

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-04 13:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
"I can't get an organized campaign because I'm a stupid, worthless pubbie so they should change everything in our favor even though 0.0 will still control the CSM!"

There is no reason to force every last player to vote, especially when the bulk are mission grinders and miners who literally do not care about the direction of the game.

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Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#8 - 2012-01-04 13:30:52 UTC
Forcing players to vote is a horrendous mistake, it makes a farce of the entire thing as 70% of players will just choose randomly.

Having the ballot paper pop up upon login is a great idea IMO, as long as there is a giant 'X' in the corner so that people who dont want to vote dont have to. Upon clicking the 'cancel'/'dont vote' button, the ballot paper should not pop up upon login again for that election, but should be avaliable for people who later change their mind - perhaps as a link on the character selection screen, or something similar.

You could easily provide space for, or a link to, a short 'mini-manifesto' which allows players who have not been following the election campaign have some idea what each candidate stands for. This should help curb random selection voting.

Just my thoughts.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-04 14:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
I am all for this as well...however, as stated in the second post of this thread it will lead to a bunch of people with no clue whats actually going on voting for random people. Since this is how it works in real life anyway...I don't see too much of a problem here.
Andski wrote:
"I can't get an organized campaign because I'm a stupid, worthless pubbie so they should change everything in our favor even though 0.0 will still control the CSM!"

There is no reason to force every last player to vote, especially when the bulk are mission grinders and miners who literally do not care about the direction of the game.

In other words...

Don't change anything because then Goonswarm can't control the CSM and keep The Mittani in his seat. Roll

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-04 15:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Revolution Rising wrote:
CSM Vote time comes around, when you login, vote screen comes up, you MUST vote. May or may not include a donkey vote - haven't thought about that much yet. I'm interested to hear what people think.

This way everyone gets a voice.

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?

It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because the majority of people aren't really being catered for by the CSM.

Edit: Please keep in mind only 15% of people voted in the past election ! (awful).


Yes because forcing players to vote will fix everything.

Are you people really that dense?

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-04 19:40:37 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
CSM Vote time comes around, when you login, vote screen comes up, you MUST vote. May or may not include a donkey vote - haven't thought about that much yet. I'm interested to hear what people think.

This way everyone gets a voice.

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?

It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because the majority of people aren't really being catered for by the CSM.

Edit: Please keep in mind only 15% of people voted in the past election ! (awful).


Yes because forcing players to vote will fix everything.

Are you people really that dense?


I am not really sure it matters much either way. Even the people today that vote either don't know what the hell they are voting for or get outvoted by the powerblock. The only thing this proposal would do is grant a slim possibility that the powerblock lose. I guess whether that is a good or bad thing depends on the powerblock that is winning.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-01-04 20:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
CSM Vote time comes around, when you login, vote screen comes up, you MUST vote. May or may not include a donkey vote - haven't thought about that much yet. I'm interested to hear what people think.

This way everyone gets a voice.

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?

It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because the majority of people aren't really being catered for by the CSM.

Edit: Please keep in mind only 15% of people voted in the past election ! (awful).


Yes because forcing players to vote will fix everything.

Are you people really that dense?


I am not really sure it matters much either way. Even the people today that vote either don't know what the hell they are voting for or get outvoted by the powerblock. The only thing this proposal would do is grant a slim possibility that the powerblock lose. I guess whether that is a good or bad thing depends on the powerblock that is winning.


Wrong.

Forcing every player to vote means every account that signs in must vote...thats a guarenteed landslide victory for powerblocs.

This proposal was ******** the moment it was posted.... and the motivation behind it is nothing short of a pitiful crybaby seeking retirbution for something that the op has no idea what hes talking about.

This changes absolutely...nothing.

PS: The population of the high sec crowd peolpe tend to presume is just a bunch of carebears...what they dont think about is the number of alts of major alliances and everything else...stats are just numbers on paperwork...nothing guarenteed there.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-05 00:37:22 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
In other words...

Don't change anything because then Goonswarm can't control the CSM and keep The Mittani in his seat. Roll


In other words...

abloobloobloo I am mad because somebody I dont like got voted into CSM a bloo bloo bloo Cry

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-01-05 01:00:36 UTC
Most players ingame don't know what the CSM is nor visit the forums.

To force these players to vote on something they don't know anything about could be disastrous. We could get another Trebor, Ankh or Mazz as a result of an uninformed yet forced voting system.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-01-05 07:00:16 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.

So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign.


So you're saying a random selection would be worse than having what will probably be an all 0.0 CSM from now on ?


Yes, it would indisputably be worse.

Why should people be forced to vote if they're not interested in the CSM? And if they're not interested in the CSM, why are you getting outraged on their behalf?

Of course I know full well why you're 'outraged' on their behalf. Actually you don't give a crap about whether they're represented, as evidenced by your open indifference to whether candidates that people actually want get elected. It's because the people who do care about the CSM have had the insolence to vote for people you have decided you don't like.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-01-05 07:02:25 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I am all for this, but only if *I* get to write the software. Twisted



"It's not who gets the votes that counts; it's who counts the votes"

- Stalin

Side note: Stalin introduced mandatory voting too!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-01-05 07:03:50 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
CSM Vote time comes around, when you login, vote screen comes up, you MUST vote. May or may not include a donkey vote - haven't thought about that much yet. I'm interested to hear what people think.

This way everyone gets a voice.

70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?

It would stop a lot of the rage that is currently taking over many topics of debate because the majority of people aren't really being catered for by the CSM.

Edit: Please keep in mind only 15% of people voted in the past election ! (awful).



Why don't you just cut to the chase and propose that CCP reserve 4 or 5 CSM seats for people that you nominate?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#18 - 2012-01-05 08:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
Revolution Rising wrote:
70% of the players are empire dwellers, but the CSM is obviously run by 0.0 alliance heads.
Why has ccp not implemented this already I wonder ?..

Because "modern" politics/democracy has never been about inclusion but the legitimisation of condensing power onto small'ish entities (corporate, parties, individuals etc.)

Take a hard look at the voting system in whichever country you hail from and ask yourself if anyone/everyone has the same chance of 'getting in' and if everyone has the same ease of voting. The only contemporary system that has any right to even bear the title "Democracy" is the Swiss (in my opinion) ..

I would move there in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the odd cuisine they have .. hahahahaha.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-05 13:28:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I am all for this, but only if *I* get to write the software. Twisted



"It's not who gets the votes that counts; it's who counts the votes"

- Stalin

Side note: Stalin introduced mandatory voting too!


Then again, The Mittani does enjoy using a Stalinist gimmick.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Goose99
#20 - 2012-01-05 17:08:27 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Mandatory voting on something that 80% of the playerbase doesn't know anything about just leads to people clicking for whoever happens to be the first name they see on the voting screen.

So either you randomise the order of candidates, which means the mandatory uninformed votes are distributed equally and so have no bearing on the result, or you don't, which means the first name on the list gets to be chair regardless of affiliation, ability, or campaign.


This would lead to better selection of CSMs than the joke we have now.Lol
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