Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So your 'proof' is a slide that says 'people who die stay longer?' And a statement that people who are Ganked, you know, NOT killed in your arena idea, people who are killed while not wanting to, are the ones who stay longer?

Awesome proof.


How many of those people who die in any way are alts, be it gank, cyno, FW, RVB, etc? Why does this matter? Because if they are an alt to someone who is playing anyway, they would likely be retained regardless. How many of those people who don't die are people who log in, play for a couple hours, decide they don't like waiting on the skill queue for an hour so quit? Again relevant.



As far as 'motivation'..... WTF are you even on about? How does the tutorials have anything to do with your ability to right click open convo and ask if a guy wants to duel?

Do you realize how far of a stretch your making for that? The NPE needs help. No one is saying otherwise. But that is completely unrelated to arena's which are far more than likely not going to be used by new players at all, but rather much older players who right now instead war dec small high sec corps and get easy kills that way.

You still have no proof for anything you're saying, merely speculation. I HATE to publicly agree with Rivr, but he's 100% correct. How well do arena matchmaking types do in games like World of *insert*. I can tell you that that MM system creates some seriously fubar'd matches. I play WoT when I'm out of my corps TZ coverage, or waiting on jump fatigue, or just need something easier. But when I want a challenge, I play Eve. Of the two, Eve's system is superior in every way.

You also have no understanding of Eve. My Rebuttal is far deeper than your ability to understand it would seem. It is not 'it hasn't been so shouldn't be.' My rebuttal is 'It has consistently, for more than a decade, been chosen to NOT be a thing.' There are a great many reasons for this. I do not have the time nor desire to spend the next week or more it would take to educate you on these.


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There is your problem. You have been in CAS for 8 months. Which means you're either unable to take risks and join a player corp(And further you don't return anything on a name search for zkill, evekill, or battleclinic, so can't risk a ship without a guarantee of some sort of success, so are completely unmotivated by the very intrinsic rewards you're using to argue with) or an alt and too afraid to post with your main.

Either way, I can't continue risking my brain cells on you. Until you have something useful to contribute.





Both of which are completely irrelevant. More time gate camping means jack all. Killing POS's in Wormholes is a real challenge as well. You've been in what? 5 real fights? And most of those were all as part of a larger T3 blob in a wormhole? Barring the massive Fustercluck in Uuna which was basically a 'Everybody Kill Snuff' fest your last month of any notable action was March of 2014?

See the difference, is you want bad change. Bad change SHOULD be fought and denied. Eve is NOT an arena based game, and shouldn't be. It's never been touted as that, and has actively chosen to NOT be.

Do we really talk about the traidhub jita where i get everytime i undock a invite for a duel and are plenty of enemys camp the station ?

And learn to use the search funktion it´s not that hard.

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CAStabouts I think

CCP provides the statistics. Is there a problem there? It's relevant with the discussion that more action equates with more sub retention. How is that not pertinent for an arena? How is it not logical that a simple method of experiencing the gameplay could promote more interest in it?


That very video states that the group was set up about individuals -- even if that's 80k emails, that's likely pretty accurate. Deciding that the skill queue is uninteresting is another topic (SP) and, yes, is also relevant.


Motivation is apparently the game's and many other developments' (and science's) structure for gaming. It's more than just tutorials, as stated in the video, because the NPE is more than that.

There's great reason with this, because motivation has a lot of simple principles for promoting play. There's plenty of evidence for intrinsic rewards like initiative instead of extrinsic, like item rewards.

2 problems with composition though.

It can be based on tier/tech/etc. WOT...I left it at tier 9 german tank line. I focused on medium tank line. To MM, tier 9 was tier 9. So I could be top tank my side matched with a tier 9 heavy. I spent most of these matches sneaking around. If my "equal" found me I had little/no chance of pen and wargaming hates german tanks so one good shot from him and I was system criticaled, losing crew members, probably on fire (german tanks in WOT are seemingly coated in gasoline, or was when i played) or it just out right bends me over and has its way with me.

Also had this issue with higher level scout (light) tanks. My tier 6 vk scout tank....man did that get some bad mm composition match ups. Again...tier 6 is tier 6 to a compositions based MM. Tier 6 heavy or medium found me first....bad things happened fast.


And when composition can't find a happy medium....to get pops off it will give you wtf matches where its obvious they just threw you all in. Had many a match going I was going dafuq is this crap MM. The objective side of me knows it was done to not have lots of people waiting extra minutes for a pop. Still...some matches had me going I'd prefer waiting minutes more to not be placed in that fuster cluck of a match.

I am all for arenas on sisi, as discussed today on slack.

That's a whole lot of assuming you're doing there.

First, your 'evidence' breaks PVP into 'legal kills' and Ganks. So really breaking it into consensual and not is not any more a stretch. :roll:

You in particular also don't get to call anything obvious, because obvious in your world appears to be rainbow gumdrops and unicorns.



You're also assuming ALOT.


'Data probably sufficient enough' and 'probably checking IP's,' Nice conclusive Data.





And Holy mother of Pearl.....

Please just stop posting. I usually try to avoid direct name calling, but you're an idiot.



You lump summed all users who quit into the reason of 'because they didn't get enough action' and that the new player experience was an entirely different conversation, then said arenas would undoubtedly make more people stay because it gave them instant access to the most important part of the game(without proper supporting evidence that 'action' was the reason they quit), NOW you're asking how are they not related? After I just told you they were completely intertwined......


Give your keyboard a rest bro. Stop posting. And contract me your stuff. Free your hard drive of some space and uninstall.

also, we need elves in this game. CCPlease

CCPEH please? I also need, MUST have mana!






On a serious note, we do need top hats.

They didn't say 1% of 80k stayed.

They didn't say 13.5% of 80k stayed.


They said that the group with the highest percent to stay were the 1% who were ganked.

THEN the 13.5% of those killed legally had the next highest percentage to stay. They didn't say how many of those of EITHER group stayed.




#Probablyreliablestatistics2015