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bring back belt ratting
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#1 - 2015-09-16 18:14:13 UTC
and raise faction spawn again.

belt ratting isnt fun (basically) without faction spawns but was a chill thing to do occassionally.

please.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2015-09-16 18:17:44 UTC
What's gone from belt ratting? Chaining still works and with some work even quite rewarding.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#3 - 2015-09-16 18:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).

pre-nerf you could get 2-3 faction spawns a day if ratted hard, nowadays you can rat for 4-6 weeks straight without a single faction spawn...
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#4 - 2015-09-16 18:27:04 UTC
I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...

*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )

The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)

The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.

If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.

There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words...

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Trobax
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-09-16 18:29:33 UTC
Yeah sure, more faction spawns with no loot, that settles it
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#6 - 2015-09-16 18:35:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Leto Aramaus wrote:
I honestly hate when people do this online, but I just can't stop myself...

*sigh* ( I literally did sigh, like HARD, so I had to express it )

The only reason it is interesting when faction loot drops, is because that loot is expensive and can net you lots of ISK (or I guess a better fit)

The only reason faction loot is so expensive is because it is rare.

If faction drops go up, prices go down, and then you'll probably be here suggesting even more faction loot drops because the prices have gone down and you want the same ISK as before.

There's so much entitlement in a post of so few words...


it was fine before the nerf. Also the drops were rarely good, its just the fact that you virtually dont get them anymore is what killed the fun of belt ratting.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-09-16 18:48:37 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).


Just you who is unlucky...
Thron Legacy
White Zulu
Scorpion Federation
#8 - 2015-09-16 18:50:21 UTC
"CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time"

Thats the exact opposite of what we need
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#9 - 2015-09-16 18:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
faction spawns virtually removed (very very low spawn rate).


Just you who is unlucky...



m mmhkay if you say so



Thron Legacy wrote:
"CCPlease buff nullsec ratting so I can krab in my carrier and earn twice as much in half the time"

Thats the exact opposite of what we need


in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-16 19:08:48 UTC
I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#11 - 2015-09-16 19:22:36 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers.


belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#12 - 2015-09-16 19:39:48 UTC
I don't know what you're talking about with belt ratting being dead. I belt rat in losec all the time. I get the occasional BS or Clone spawn that boosts my sec but mainly I do it for the occasional fight with another player I get.


Also, wanting to increase the occurrence of an activity in EvE by increasing the rate of rare spawns never works. Soon after the change, more people start doing it which means the market floods and prices drop. Soon, it's not as profitable to do anymore and people stop doing it.

If you want to bring back belt ratting, you need to make it fun, not profitable. I do it for fun.

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Thron Legacy
White Zulu
Scorpion Federation
#13 - 2015-09-16 19:52:35 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue


after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#14 - 2015-09-16 20:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Thron Legacy wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
in a carrier in belt, sure... this guy has a clue


after they get buffed peeps will rat in belts instead


so? whats bad about that? Making beltratting viable again is exactly the point of this thread (see thread title).
Iain Cariaba
#15 - 2015-09-16 21:30:45 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
I honestly don't know the state of belt ratting, but if it gets more random carriers in random belts to kill, then please buff. Must kill bads in carriers.


belt ratting is dead, people ratted a bit in belts even after anomalies buff but not that much, after removal of faction spawns noone is left doing it anymore.

Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#16 - 2015-09-16 21:51:02 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.


no its not required
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-09-16 22:59:07 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:

Citation of nerf to faction spawn rates is required. Post link to relevant devblog.


no its not required



Yes, it is.

Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#18 - 2015-09-16 23:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Danika Princip wrote:

Yes, it is.

Look at the prices of guristas faction and deadspace mods and tell me we need more spawns.


1) how is "citation of faction spawn rate nerf" related to guristas prices? (deadspace stuff doesnt drop from belt rats)

2) factrion gurista prices cant be an argument since the whole north is just overfarmed by goons (you) and CFC. Other places in eve are not so..,

3) cheap faction stuff is good for pvp, so kinda compensating less profit for bears.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2015-09-16 23:13:48 UTC
You are making a claim about a nerf to faction spawn rates. he is asking you to provide some kind of evidence to back it up. Do so, or it's going to be pretty obvious you're making it up.

Increasing spawn rates means decreasing prices for the stuff they drop, so it's extremely relevant.

Please explain how a price decrease because of the amount of farming going on is not related to a suggestion that will lead to a price decrease due to the amount of farming going on.

Nuking the price of faction gear into the ground removes the incentive to hunt it in the first place, which is rather counter-productive, don't you think?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#20 - 2015-09-16 23:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
I cant simply because CCP never put it into patch notes, I think - but whoever did belt ratting a lot noticed the very steep drop of spawns and knows very well what I'm talking about, so does CCP, the rest is irrelevant - I dont need nor want to prove it for anyone else since this thread is directed at CCP in the first line.

for the possible price drop, like I said it compensates. The one mans loss is the other mans gain, less profit for bears, better cheaper gear for pvpers...
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