EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

stop defending cheaters.
AT is not about meta games, noone wants rigged **** matches.

Yeah because if you could have moved people around and ended up with three different teams winning 1 - and 3 you wouldent have.. Your buttmad cuz you dident think of it first.

People need to practice with people of the same caliber of what they would face in the higher brackets of the tournament. No way around it. No matter how they change things around and what rules they put in place you will never be able to secure it fully as there are 2 many types of outside software that allow you to communicate.

Furthermore eve attracts some very intelligent computer types who could easily replicate battle using hard numbers vs actual gameplay to determine how setups would do against another team of higher skill so either way plain and simple you wont ever be able to fix it.

Bar you needing to enter the tourney Jan 1st and some guy from ccp humping your leg till tourney end. Which lets be honest would only work one time.



SO yeah whine whine eve bet get railed and are butt-mad because you not only got out played but you got a finger in your stinker on the side because they used your betting website to give you one more kick in the junk.

So fix it.. Yeah right..

Bar a complete overhaul on the format where each person is given a matching toon and say 15 mins to build a setup and run with it from a fixed set market setting and literally leeroy it and see what the other team brings you will always have ways to play the system.


TBH..

I might have something there. You join you practice flying the ships you like and working as a team. Then Game day you get a set char with set skills for everyone in AT.

They then are placed in a station with a controlled market missing certain random things to be determined by CCP using randomness. Then each Team has a fight using the same parameters as the last people. One person is allowed to be the Captain or whatever who has access to a full market but can only fit his ship from it.

Each round of battle the market changes adding and dropping certain random things.

That way you never know until day of and in a 15 min timespan you have to theory craft your full team and fits and how they would work showing the highest level of skill and understanding of the game VS big wallets and Uniques and metagaming the system?

CCP Controls the parameters of the market thus controlling the fits and the tactics one can use. AND NO ONE ELSE CAN FIND THE INFORMATION..

Seems like a legit idea

Moving away from the double elimination system could make a lot of these troubles disappear.

Single elimination, with best of series introduced as early as you feel they are needed, will mean that nobody who throws a match will benefit from that action within the tournament itself. The exception being if you deliberately lose a match in order to change the perceptions of your future opponents, which isn't really within the scope of the match throwing rules CCP has been working with so far and probably not a negative concern for anyone.

Another thing would be to take a long hard look at the prize structure. I personally love that they are so insanely valuable, because it's enabled all sorts of wonderful things within EVE, but it may not be the best thing for the AT itself.

Although your new player friendly idea has merit, I don't think the Alliance Tournament is the right venue for it.

I have no problem with teams co-operating with eachother to further their own chances of victory, but I do think having a ruleset that incentivises match fixing between those co-operating teams is fundamentally a bad idea. It's not good from the spectators point of view and if such things are against the rules while being incentivised by the rules, it makes life far harder than it needs to be for the organisers.

It wouldn't be so bad if it was like The Highlander and there can be only one. You wouldn't turn down Ramírez's help, even though he has poor odds of winning himself. He's willing to help you, because he has an agenda of defeating The Kurgan, who is the greater enemy. Together you stand a chance of victory, but alone you're likely to be singled out and slaughtered by mightier and more established opponents. Ultimately only one competitor gets to claim The Prize, no matter the extent of the co-operation leading up to that victory.

The problem comes when it turns in to The Hunger Games or Battle Royale. When plot twists make for an anticlimactic ending to the competition, even if it does set up a sequel.

lol

Did I just read this correctly ? Let me quote again lol " fixing matches is bad BUT .....(etc etc ) "

Yes your correct fixing matches is bad ......but nothing .

Edit - I'm not condoning any of the teams as I have seen no evidence really but seriously you should not allow rule breakers ,I cheer for the teams with honour and attitude nobody else .

What's your view on teams skirmishing against each other ala TEST open practices?

I think because of intel, spies, friendships, sparring partners and even just running into each other in game there are always going to be collusion grey areas.

I was pretty ok with CCPs rules. Practicing together is done by many many teams, and for a lot of us 'lower tier' teams is the only what joining the AT is feasable. It's pretty hard to put a ban on shared logistics as you could easily just have an out of alliance corp be 'contracted' to run logistics for both. There are no rules on where teams get their ships from or what price they pay for them. As long as each team is trying to win in every match they play (especially when they play against 'practice partners') then it seems alright to me.

Camel/Warlords broke this one big rule by not brining their best comps against each other to try to win. Using 'house rules' isn't trying to win. If you wanted your team to win, even if the other team said they'd play by the 'house rules', you would bring whatever comp you thought you needed to win.

Camel/Warlords broke the rules because they were not playing as two separate teams each trying to win even against each other, but a group of teams working together to beat everyone else (specifically you guys).


So my real question is, should CCP change the rules at all? The rules they had in place were sufficient to ban Camel/Warlords for collusion, do you think they need to be tightened?

Your parents failed, right there.

Rubbish. You only can't stop it if you don't try. I would much rather CCP try than just go "**** it, it'll happen anyway, do what you like".


If it did nothing to help them, why did they feel they needed to do it? The fact they chose to cheat clearly shows they felt they needed to.



The third place team got cheated, because they should have had the second place prize. The fourth place team got cheated, because they should have had the third place prize. The fifth place team got cheated, since they should have had the fourth place prize. The 33rd place team got cheated since they didn't get to play in the studio-weekends. And finally, one unknown team got cheated since they weren't able to participate in the tournament at all. That is 60 players (just counting guys on field, not including subs and support guys), all because there was a ringer team filling up one of the slots.

That's the crime. They were one team, they should have taken one slot. What if everyone had followed their lead? The final weekend would be Hydra A vs PL D, Hydra B vs PL C, PL A vs PL B, etc, etc... it would be dull and utterly pointless. There would be no slots for the plucky-but-bad hopefuls that give us neutrals some of the most fun matches to watch. I WANT to see TNT running around orbitting the FC and shockingly getting far doing so, I want to see what TEST pulls out the bag this year, I want to see CVA put out an all-Amarr fleet with minimal hope of success, I want to see someone play a MJD-gimmick like Drop the Hammer did, and I want to see some random minor-alliance surprise a big name and take a scalp.