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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1841 - 2015-09-16 00:53:04 UTC
It would now appear there are two open threads about plex prices. Time for ISD to lock at lwast one of them.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#1842 - 2015-09-16 00:55:45 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
It would now appear there are two open threads about plex prices. Time for ISD to lock at lwast one of them.



One, why do you care?

Two, Neither of those threads are this one... so why post it here?

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CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1843 - 2015-09-16 01:06:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Scotchmo
This whole community has cover my eyes and plug my ears syndrome.

I think the value for EVE has declined BAD since 2009. No content for 6 years kills a game.

I just read a reddit post that was taken down about no expansions since 2009 killing the game.

100% true, MMO = sub cost for ongoing development

2003-2009 real stuff was added. 2010-2015?
Zihao
Doomheim
#1844 - 2015-09-16 01:27:49 UTC
So newbies like me have at least 6 years of content to enjoy before we're bored and bitter too? Awesome!
Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1845 - 2015-09-16 01:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Scotchmo
Zihao wrote:
So newbies like me have at least 6 years of content to enjoy before we're bored and bitter too? Awesome!



You can play through 2003-2009's stuff anyways. Oh and incursions for the VERY last legit release we had (how long ago was that again?!)

Just go look at what eve got in Apocrypha. SO MUCH STUFF!!!

Then riot took their talent I guess?
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#1846 - 2015-09-16 01:30:44 UTC
Zihao wrote:
So newbies like me have at least 6 years of content to enjoy before we're bored and bitter too? Awesome!



Don't forget to turn out the lights... bills to pay and all Roll

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Zihao
Doomheim
#1847 - 2015-09-16 01:33:17 UTC
Will do mate. See you on the other side.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1848 - 2015-09-16 02:19:17 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
It would now appear there are two open threads about plex prices. Time for ISD to lock at lwast one of them.



One, why do you care?

Two, Neither of those threads are this one... so why post it here?

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1. I don't care.

2. This is one of them.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1849 - 2015-09-16 04:09:27 UTC
Wow, I can't believe a post based on an a gross misunderstanding of seasonality is still going. P

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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice
#1850 - 2015-09-16 05:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Luckytania
Teckos Pech wrote:
Wow, I can't believe a post based on an a gross misunderstanding of seasonality is still going. P
Ignorance explains many things.

Look at the five year chart.

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No doubt there can be many explanations.

"Seasonality" is not one of them.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#1851 - 2015-09-16 08:00:16 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Elle Waifu wrote:
They should localize sub costs at LEAST.

I know the CAD -> USD exchange has made it 25% more expensive to sub.

If I was to play WOW, I could go to the local store and buy a 30CAD card that would sub me for 2 months.
If I was to play EVE I would have to pay 14.95 USD for 1x month.

I don't really understand how they can justify charging more than WOW. If we got real expansions again and content I would say go for it. We haven't had any real new content since Wormholes in 2009.

I am unsure what we are even paying for any more?


it's not the same product.

it's not the same company.

EVE is not WOW.

you're paying to play the game.

you're unsure why you're even paying anymore? (you speak for yourself not everyone)
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#1852 - 2015-09-16 08:38:00 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
It would now appear there are two open threads about plex prices. Time for ISD to lock at lwast one of them.



One, why do you care?

Two, Neither of those threads are this one... so why post it here?

Roll


1. I don't care.

2. This is one of them.

Roll



1. You obviously do

2. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=439476 and https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=385249 are the two active Plex threads... this is not about plex.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#1853 - 2015-09-16 09:12:06 UTC
Zihao wrote:
So newbies like me have at least 6 years of content to enjoy before we're bored and bitter too? Awesome!


There's lots of content, it's called other players. It's just that most people are lazy, lethargic and really bad so they cower in a corner waiting for others to make stuff happen because any actual commitment or initiative would just be far outside their comfort zone.

If you choose to be pro active, choose to make **** happen then you'll have content every day, all day.
Anthar Thebess
#1854 - 2015-09-16 11:27:41 UTC
Yes people are lazy now, as eve they knew is gone when jump fatigue was introduced.
From the perspective of nerfing roamig capital and supercapital feet it was excellent decision.
Yes you could kill this kind of fleet on the paper , problem was that the nodes where not able to sustain this kind of pressure.

At the same time from a single user perspective jump fatigue blocked ability to move fast , to chase /find potential content.
When a person have just 1-2 characters capable of getting the FUN in this game , this person is left in a very bad position.

Abandon current way of living to get fun (this include the friend you are playing now), or be bored.

What i see is that CCP need to add new layer of smuggler stargates that will be capable to spark new conflict points across all universe.

This game needs also epic battles

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1855 - 2015-09-16 13:13:17 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
(long detailed and interesting hypothesis on PLEX hoarding).


There is a simple, elegant and effective way to sort PLEX hoarding.

Disable PLEX trading.

They still could be activated to add 30 days to your account, or to another player, for ISK, or for free:

Seller: "gimme 900 million ISK and I'll add 30 days to your account"
Buyer: "No way, they're asking me just 850 million elsewhere"

The services associated to PLEX could be exchanged for ISK, but the items themselves wouldn't be sold nor bought until further notice.

That would give the buyers a tool to lower the price, since a unused PLEX would become literally worthless.

Once the pool of hoarded PLEXes (and their price) was low enough, they may be returned to the market, under the caution that beyond X ratio of used:unused PLEX the trade will be disabled again.

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Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1856 - 2015-09-16 13:38:37 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
(long detailed and interesting hypothesis on PLEX hoarding).


There is a simple, elegant and effective way to sort PLEX hoarding.

Disable PLEX trading.

They still could be activated to add 30 days to your account, or to another player, for ISK, or for free:

Seller: "gimme 900 million ISK and I'll add 30 days to your account"
Buyer: "No way, they're asking me just 850 million elsewhere"

The services associated to PLEX could be exchanged for ISK, but the items themselves wouldn't be sold nor bought until further notice.

That would give the buyers a tool to lower the price, since a unused PLEX would become literally worthless.

Once the pool of hoarded PLEXes (and their price) was low enough, they may be returned to the market, under the caution that beyond X ratio of used:unused PLEX the trade will be disabled again.


Translating the above from "Ishtanchuk to English": "CCP fix it!"
Zihao
Doomheim
#1857 - 2015-09-16 15:27:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
(long detailed and interesting hypothesis on PLEX hoarding).


There is a simple, elegant and effective way to sort PLEX hoarding.

Disable PLEX trading.

They still could be activated to add 30 days to your account, or to another player, for ISK, or for free:

Seller: "gimme 900 million ISK and I'll add 30 days to your account"
Buyer: "No way, they're asking me just 850 million elsewhere"


The trend for a permanent, market trade, asset to temporary special asset that must be manually hawked would have the opposite effect.
Fred Vendetta
Doomheim
#1858 - 2015-09-16 16:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Vendetta
Or CCP could officially outlaw plex hoarding and warn/ban anyone who does it, while re-selling their hoarded plex back on the market in trade hubs.

They're perfectly within their power to do it. PLEX hoarding could easily result in many lost subscribers from CCP due to PLEX prices becoming too high.

Traders should not be able to hoard PLEX in order to profit from it because all it does is drive prices up higher. A self fulfilling prophecy.
Zihao
Doomheim
#1859 - 2015-09-16 17:12:28 UTC
Yeah, but why ban someone who is your best customer?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1860 - 2015-09-16 18:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Fred Vendetta wrote:
Or CCP could officially outlaw plex hoarding and warn/ban anyone who does it, while re-selling their hoarded plex back on the market in trade hubs.
Why would they do that? Every PLEX that is hoarded is money in the bank for services that might never be activated, not to mention that every one of those PLEX costs more than the equivalent sub.

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They're perfectly within their power to do it. PLEX hoarding could easily result in many lost subscribers from CCP due to PLEX prices becoming too high.
It may be in their power to do so, that doesn't make it a good idea. The PR backlash would be horrible for CCP.

Grinding isk for PLEX to pay to grind more isk for the next one is a terrible idea, if people are finding it hard to earn enough isk they need to re-evaluate either their play-style or their priorities. Turning what should be entertainment into a second job that pays literal peanuts is just dumb.

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Traders should not be able to hoard PLEX in order to profit from it because all it does is drive prices up higher. A self fulfilling prophecy.
They'll just hoard something else, everything on the market is a potential investment for profit. Furthermore your idea of not being able to hoard PLEX affects more than just traders, I've normally got 2 or 3 sat in a station and another in the redeem queue because they're an easily redeemable token for services from CCP and because I can sell one on the market occasionally for a quick cash injection. I haven't traded one for game time in months, I can earn the sub fee in less than 2 hours IRL as opposed to 10's of hours grinding ingame for isk.

I don't hoard them for profit, I hoard them for their value and utility; I'm sure that there are many others that do something in the same vein.

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