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Is Exploration a Career?

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Harm Grievous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-09-15 19:50:48 UTC
Because I don't think it is. I don't think you can pay for plex with in game currency if exploration is your career.

I don't believe enough data and relic sites spawn in all sec's of the game. The game needs to be more giving in this regard.

A lot of newbies practise and take part in exploration of wh sites off high sec. I just spent 3 hours looking for data and relic sites in wh's off high sec. I didn't find any that weren't guarded by rats. New exploration and some experienced exploration ships are not going to be able to engage rats in sites in wh space. They not fitted for it.

3 hours scanning within wh sites looking for data and relic sites and i consider myself good at scanning,. I was ignoring wh and gas sites. Imagine if I went out to work and I had a couple of hours to play Eve with. I would be fed up and give up if this is what I get. Like I said the game needs to be more giving.

I think there need to be more wh's in the game. And those that aren't nearing the end of their lifetime throughout the sec's of the game. I think there needs to be more data and relic sites in those wh's so people can make a career out of exploration. Coz at the moment I don't think you can.
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-09-15 19:53:15 UTC
So a career in eve is related to whether or not one can PLEX his account doing it. Roll

Being able to PLEX your account is a privilege not a right.

That being said, if you are good at exploring you can easily PLEX your account. You must be bad.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2015-09-15 19:54:47 UTC
yes it is

1) get out of highsec, its generally picked clean fairly quickly

2) get a ship that can do the sites with rarts

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smokeAjoint
Catch And Release Privateering
#4 - 2015-09-15 20:01:38 UTC
you don't like your second job?

** legalize it**
Harm Grievous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-09-15 20:06:02 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So a career in eve is related to whether or not one can PLEX his account doing it. Roll

Being able to PLEX your account is a privilege not a right.


You sound like a policeman.

Noobs are trying exploration by going to wh's off highsec, i see it all the time. There are hardly ever sites within the wh's that don't have rats guarding them. What noob will be able to have an explo ship that can fight rats and explo afterwards.

I don't think my reasoning is bad.

No I don't do the exploration myself, I kill the people exploring the sites and there aren't enough of them.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2015-09-15 20:09:33 UTC
'More giving'? As an exploration type, I'd say the reverse. Increased supply of exploration loot will decrease the market value significantly. This is one reason why data sites are worth so little for a nullsec or WH explorer: the demand for data site loot is lower than the supply.

I'd recommend trying to find shattered Sansha wormholes, or C1-C3 wormholes generally, or poking around in Blood Raider or Sansha nullsec. Currently, Sansha nullsec-grade relic sites are the moneymakers for explorers.

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-09-15 20:26:18 UTC
Posting in stealth Minimum Wage Increase Thread.

It's not McDonalds responsibilty to make sure you can afford a four bedroom house and 2 cars
It's not CCP's responsibilty to make sure you can afford PLEX.
Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-09-15 20:28:54 UTC
Harm Grievous wrote:
Because I don't think it is. I don't think you can pay for plex with in game currency if exploration is your career.


Well, first of all it depends on the amount of hours you put in. If your complaint is that it takes too long to grind a plex with exploration: Why should a career that needs only a 50M investment pay out more?
Harm Grievous
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-09-15 20:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Harm Grievous
Should you really have to put so many hours in?
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#10 - 2015-09-15 20:30:46 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Posting in stealth Minimum Wage Increase Thread.

It's not McDonalds responsibilty to make sure you can afford a four bedroom house and 2 cars
It's not CCP's responsibilty to make sure you can afford PLEX.



It's not Microsoft, Google, Boeing, BAE, or Booz Allen Hamilton's job either.
Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2015-09-15 20:31:07 UTC
You don't explore yet you think you can speak to whether or not it's a career and how much money can be made. Roll

Every time I have gone WH diving I have no trouble finding sites without rats.

Also, if you exclusively shoot small ships why do your fit your SB with Torpedos?

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-09-15 20:34:02 UTC
Back when I was a "hardcore" explorer I made about 500M per 4h session with nullsec relics, flying an explo ceptor through Sansha space. Wormhole pirate relics are good for training and spot awards, but not efficient in the long run because you waste too much time scanning worthless sigs. Day tripping combat sites in WHs may be a thing, but never tried.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#13 - 2015-09-15 20:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Persephone Alleile
You can get pirate faction data and relic sites in wormhole space (in C1-C3 wormholes at least) but as Tipa mentioned you'll have to sift through a lot of sigs to get them as there will be likely be lots of gas sites. Those gas sites can be profitable too though, if you're willing to train the skills and sit around spamming the d-scan while you huff gas.

your best bet is to find some secluded corner of nullsec, preferably through a wormhole so as to avoid gate camps. As for plexing, well plex prices are pretty high right now so you'd have to put in a lot of time, but it's possible.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#14 - 2015-09-15 21:46:35 UTC
Harm Grievous wrote:


You sound like a policeman.

Noobs are trying exploration by going to wh's off highsec, i see it all the time. There are hardly ever sites within the wh's that don't have rats guarding them. What noob will be able to have an explo ship that can fight rats and explo afterwards.

I don't think my reasoning is bad.

No I don't do the exploration myself, I kill the people exploring the sites and there aren't enough of them.

You can do C4 WH's with 4-5 T1 cruisers. I can say this given the fact that..... I've done them recently with just that.
And we popped spawns wrong and still made it work.

No cloaks, nothing like that. Just T1 cruisers, ok, T2 tanks on them but that isn't a long train.
And this was a C4 WH. C1-3 WH's are all easier than this.

So.... Yes, 'newbies' can do Wormholes just fine. If they do them with other people.
Elle Waifu
Waifu Industries
#15 - 2015-09-15 21:48:10 UTC
I plex many accounts from highsec exploration.

Sounds like you don't scan the 100 systems per day required to make it average out decently.

This is Waifu.

This is Waifu.
Salvos Rhoska
#16 - 2015-09-15 22:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Being able to PLEX your account is a privilege not a right.

Wrong.

Grinding isk to buy a PLEX, is no privilige. Especially not since someone else has paid RLM for it.
Its an earned result that that player has earned.
Please stop quoting false platitudes you do not understand.

And as to rights, we have NONE.
CCP owns all of this and the TOS/EULA categorically excludes us from any rights (excluding local legal jurisdictions).

One of the clauses, think it was 6, basically says that you have to do whatever a CCP representative says, which also includes jumping off a cliff. Sense? None. Expedient, perhaps. Legal, not really. Rights? Not as far as CCP is concerned.

To OP:
Get out of HS for exploration.
Data/Relic is complete crap there.
Combat exploration, on the otherhand, is quite good.

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2015-09-15 22:26:22 UTC
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