EVE General Discussion

Excellent.
Now the you can buy behind plex of the Paladin and rig t2.
Just throw $ a game.

You aren't factoring in anything from the buyer's end. I am far more likely to purchase PLEX when prices are this high, because they sell for so much ISK, allowing one to do hilariously silly and reckless things for not much time investment.

For the price of a burger and a beer, I could buy a carrier and welp it for amusement's sake. For the price of two burgers and two beers, I could have a burger and beer while I welp a carrier. Now we are talking!

If CCP became worried about plex stockpiling, an easy solution if they deemed necessary is to just stop sales.

However if I was CCP, I would have legal evidence that it is an ingame asset which has since been redeemed. If somebody spent all that isk to get 1000 plex, well they might very well have something never to get used. Let em control the market. CCP happy. Higher price means plex sellers more liable to control plex. Plex not redeemed means nil to CCP. It would to me...

If it starts flooding market, rate of consumption will not change unless they are flooded for an ungodly low price. In which case those players took a loss.

Plex is pretty close to a real world commodity. However is a dangerous game. If eve stops operating, then value is a pure zero.

A few. Not any recently. I don't think there's many things that I don't already own in game that I want to own, or wouldn't be trivial for me to replace or buy using in game means at this point.

It's a long thread. Maybe it was mentioned somewhere. If everything worth flying wasn't small, fast, and cheap, there may be more demand for PLEX from a buyer's perspective. Expensive ships are overly cumbersome for many people to fly. I can buy, what, 10 or more well fit svipuls for one PLEX? The BC buff won't fix this much either as they are T1 hulls and are incredibly cheap to fly after insurance. Basically what I mean to say is you get more re-ships per ISK now than you used to with the current meta, which may translate to more reships per PLEX. Even bling is hilariously cheap these days.

I'd buy PLEX, but there's literally nothing to spend it on.

That is interesting. A very close friend of mine, him and his family own a major downtown apartment block. In addition, their rent in this extremely well maintained building has a vacancy of never and long term residence. Their reasoning?

Well, they could charge more, but why? Just to make more money? Their operational costs have not increased and when there is a rent increase, is explained and they maintain all their renters. Result is their overhead costs are minimal and income perfectly stable. The tenants wanting to stay in the building look after it. The waiting list, people wait literally years for if a room opens up.

100% of 80% market is better than 0% of 100%. The market forecasting for stuff like that is all luckers. Gotta make money and get out, somebody always loses. That hurts the whole economy. People wonder why it is crap? It is concern over a quick buck instead of long term stability.

Example of false value increase. My property since buying has increased 4 fold in value to total investment, but only cause people want it to flip/rent at overcharged cost. My actual costs have increased absolutely none.

I have always thought that the problem isnt the price of PLEX, or the speculators and hoarders. Really the problem is how PLEX is used mainly to fund alt accounts. The more alt accounts a person has, the easier it is to make isk, and therefore the easier it is to buy more PLEX and fund more accounts with PLEX. I've never considered getting more than 1 alt account and can barely comprehend the motivations of people that have 12, just like i cant comprehend why would anyone want a super. I'd like to think that theres "no wrong way to play eve" but the fact is that certain behaviors are detrimental to the game itself. The overabundance of alts per player is one of those behaviors. Every single time a player does anything in this game with an alt, rather than cooperating with other people, Eve loses a chance for the kind of social interaction and engagement that sets this game apart from any other games out there. I understand there are plenty of activities where using alts is just more practical, but that only showcases how terribly designed and boring a lot of activities in Eve are. I'm not arguing for a cap on the number of accounts a person has, rather I'd like to see a game where playing with other people is more fun than players having entire corporations of their own alts.

For every "rich" vet with 10 alts that considers a price hike from 900 mill to 1.2 bill a minor annoyance, there are likely a dozen newbies that quit the game entirely, because 300 million when youre a belt ratting newbie is all your income for the month if you're doing everything right and playing a lot. Newbies do the math and see 10 hours of work to make x quantity of isk. While the guy multiboxing incursions sees 1 hour of work with 10 alts. Also for every american or european that makes $20 in an hour of real life work there are a dozen people from other countries making $20 or less for an entire day of the same work. These people want to play the game but the only way they can afford it is by plexing their account. I used to see a lot of them before CCP had the fantastic idea of eliminating the language channels and I'd say 90% of them would disappear after the trial or their first subscription month because they just couldn't make enough isk, or getting that isk involved too much time. And thats when PLEX was 700-800 mill.

Eve needs a lot more players. There are way too many systems for the quantity of players we currently have, resulting in most space being empty most of the time and there being little content. Eve also probably wouldnt work as a free game, so a good compromise would be a relatively cheap PLEX that allows an influx of new players, especially from the so called "developing world". PLEX price can only drop to that level if there is a massive overhaul to gameplay mechanics that results in people playing the game with a dozen alts as outrageous and stupid as trying to play say Dota by multiboxing your entire team.

Hoarding Plexes is not my problem, its the horders.
If the Horders would try to make a big amount of isk from PLEX, the price would drop again.

As for me, i buy the PLEX from CCP, i pay always the same. (almost)
Player RM = same
CCP RM = same

CCP needs RM to pay ppl and servers.

PLEX ingame (speak value in the actual -> game) depends on other factors.
But whatever all is in control of CCP.

CCP can flood the market by creating new ingame PLEX, CCP can increase the isk income, so it would take 1hour to make a billion and more.

Ppl hoarding PLEX?
If they have hoarded 2000 Years of game time and CCP closes. What can the horders do?
NOTHING!
PLEX is also some kind of trust someone puts on CCP to keep the promise of delievering gametiime.

PLEX are not ment to play EvE for free. PLEX are meant to trade game time for other ingame items. There is a small but important difference.
It is literally a trade of time, ppl can buy gametime they do not have tp ppl who have more of gametime.
This frees RealTimefor PLEX sellers who give up on RealTime.

Sinking playercount is problem, PLEX prices may indicate, but hardly are a reason for the decrease.

Likely longterm scenario:

1) The need for ISK is fairly constant so as prices rise less PLEX will hit the market. ( The number of people buying extra PLEX for real money to take advantage of higher ISK/PLEX ratios is minimal in the greater scheme of things)

2) The amount of PLEX bought ingame by speculators will rise as PLEX keeps rising. Also in a "bull" market there is never a good time to sell you are always better off hording for even longer. People will just keep adding to the PLEX stash.

3) The amount of PLEX bought ingame by players to sub accounts will drop as PLEX keeps rising and they unsub those accounts.


Longterm result - PLEX will enter the game at the current rate (CCP income will not be effected) but it will become a speculative commodity in-game mainly bought up and horded.

Then welp, what else would they do with the ISK...

Because you are doing it wrong? Funny how when a miner says, "If I mine my own minerals they are free," the cacophany is "OPPORTUNITY COST!!!" Yet you fail that same test so utterly when it comes to PLEX. Does your RL job pay that little?