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Best ship(s) for optimal L4 ISK?
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The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#81 - 2015-09-15 15:43:23 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
Wow, you went all out to prove a non-point there, dincha.

Hahahah gets all srz business and whines and types a nice big fat post about me 'lying', when I prove him wrong is all like, 'whatever bruh, it's not like i r serious bruh, relax bruh'

What a hack.

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Oh and FYI, that fit you posted only JUST breaks 1k dps at 83km using augmented Ogres.

Weee there goes the goalposts again.

The forum PvP is realPirate

Besides I already explained what I meant with my numbers on the PREVIOUS page. shows how well you guys read (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6037419#post6037419)


Hang on, you "proved me wrong" did you? You still dont see that your fit isn't at all like you say it is? And where exactly am I whining? I'm pointing out your fails. And anytime someone says bruh, you know who the fool is already.

You explained what you meant with your numbers, everyone has tried to point out you are wrong. If forum PVP was real, you would currently be floating in your pod with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears going "lalalawinninglalala".

Hack indeed.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#82 - 2015-09-15 16:22:19 UTC
The Bigpuns wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
Wow, you went all out to prove a non-point there, dincha.

Hahahah gets all srz business and whines and types a nice big fat post about me 'lying', when I prove him wrong is all like, 'whatever bruh, it's not like i r serious bruh, relax bruh'

What a hack.

Quote:
Oh and FYI, that fit you posted only JUST breaks 1k dps at 83km using augmented Ogres.

Weee there goes the goalposts again.

The forum PvP is realPirate

Besides I already explained what I meant with my numbers on the PREVIOUS page. shows how well you guys read (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6037419#post6037419)


Hang on, you "proved me wrong" did you? You still dont see that your fit isn't at all like you say it is? And where exactly am I whining? I'm pointing out your fails. And anytime someone says bruh, you know who the fool is already.

You explained what you meant with your numbers, everyone has tried to point out you are wrong. If forum PVP was real, you would currently be floating in your pod with your eyes closed and fingers in your ears going "lalalawinninglalala".

Hack indeed.

No, not really.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#83 - 2015-09-15 16:44:45 UTC
That's what I thought.

OP, the answer to your original question is: depends what skills you have and how you like to fly.

Hope this has all been educational for you ;)
Altair Taurus
#84 - 2015-09-15 18:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
I refrain from giving advice to OP about blitzing L4 missions because of all reasons that were mentioned here before. As for regular mission running I would say OP should look at:

- Marauders - you really can save your time being capable of salvaging during fight, bastion module gives quite high degree of safety (EWAR immunity, monstrous tank). However skill requirements to fly Marauder are high: AWU - V, racial BS - V etc. That's about three months of training. You should also think about choosing particular Marauder type (Kronos, Golem, Paladin, Vargur). There are pros and cons about each of them but that is topic for longer discussion.

- pirate battleships - there are many of them but for PVE purposes you should look exclusively at Rattlesnake, Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator. I would say cruise missiles+sentry Rattlesnake with MJD is the best choice for starters because it offers huge DPS and very high level of defense thanks to MJD ("Escape Button") and quite good build-in EWAR resistance. If you running missions against Sanshas and Bloods go for Nightmare with Tachyon lasers and you won't regret that. Machariel is the best mission boat against Angels due to their crappy EWAR and great dps at close range. Also rail Vindicator with sentries as its secondary weapon is decent ship against Guristas and Serpentis. Moreover in several L4 missions where rats orbit at very close range you can arm Vindicator with blasters and massacre them!

- navy faction battleships - there are at least two ships you should consider: Caldari Navy Raven aka CNR and Typhoon Fleet Issue aka TFI. The former is cruise missile boat with very good damage selection/application and it can be both MJD-sniper and semi-brawler, the latter is similar to Rattlesnake because this is also drone & missile boat.

- T1 battleships - I would say Raven, Dominix and maybe Apocalypse, if you fly in Amarr space only, are worth consideration.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-09-15 18:58:57 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
Wow, you went all out to prove a non-point there, dincha.

Hahahah gets all srz business and whines and types a nice big fat post about me 'lying', when I prove him wrong is all like, 'whatever bruh, it's not like i r serious bruh, relax bruh'

What a hack.

Quote:
Oh and FYI, that fit you posted only JUST breaks 1k dps at 83km using augmented Ogres.

Weee there goes the goalposts again.

The forum PvP is realPirate

Besides I already explained what I meant with my numbers on the PREVIOUS page. shows how well you guys read (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6037419#post6037419)


Yes but at the same time, your unbonused ogres need to fly for 50km. Plus using regular ogres (what sane people will do) you won't even hit 1k dps.

Also you're under the impression bastion lasts 5 minutes as well.

Art of Explosions
Altair Taurus
#86 - 2015-09-15 19:39:53 UTC
True EFT Warrior! Twisted
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#87 - 2015-09-15 20:06:33 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
True EFT Warrior! Twisted


Don't believe so, I think he actually does fly a mach, he just seems to look at them through rose-tinted glasses, thinks it beats everything at everything. And then wont listen when everyone tells him he's wrong.

Crackpot.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2015-09-15 20:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Anize Oramara wrote:
Edit: Oh and fun fact: if you switch TCs to tracking scripts, because TCs are awesome that way, you get as good or way better tracking than tachs depending on the number you switch over. God I love TCs so much.

Which tach ship wouldn't be running TC's? Paladins will typically have 3 TC's and NM's 1 to 3 depending on fit on top of their tracking bonus. Napoc has, again, a tracking bonus and should still have a TC or 2.

Beyond that there aren't many ships I'd put Tachs on and all 3 of those should outtrack a 4TC Arty Mach.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#89 - 2015-09-15 21:15:11 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Edit: Oh and fun fact: if you switch TCs to tracking scripts, because TCs are awesome that way, you get as good or way better tracking than tachs depending on the number you switch over. God I love TCs so much.

Which tach ship wouldn't be running TC's? Paladins will typically have 3 TC's and NM's 1 to 3 depending on fit on top of their tracking bonus. Napoc has, again, a tracking bonus and should still have a TC or 2.

Beyond that there aren't many ships I'd put Tachs on and all 3 of those should outtrack a 4TC Arty Mach.



Crackpot does like making baseless statements.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#90 - 2015-09-15 22:39:42 UTC
This has definitely been an enjoyable thread to follow.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.