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The Moment you realize you're the bad guy

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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#161 - 2015-09-15 15:15:24 UTC
Citricioni wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Skyler Hawk wrote:
This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament.


i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds.



PLs first loss in the AT, was against a "Typhoon + Typhoon Fleet" Setup, so you lost the first match against a "small rock"


Yep. Small rocks can break windows when aimed well and are unexpected.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#162 - 2015-09-15 15:16:25 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
but because posting like you did above just shows to me you're not mature enough to understand how the tournament has and always has worked

lmbo i almost can't believe you typed this
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#163 - 2015-09-15 15:25:43 UTC
How hard is it to just keep the teams separate on tourney days and actually fight it out?

Teams testing together seems fine to me. But sharing all setups, tourney ships, and even coordinating what to do on match days seems like a bit much.

Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.
Dancul1001
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#164 - 2015-09-15 15:26:15 UTC
i woke up this morning to read everyones reactions now im too invested in these great mrrive posts to stop reading
Rn Bonnet
Perkone
Caldari State
#165 - 2015-09-15 15:35:01 UTC
Shamis Orzoz wrote:
How hard is it to just keep the teams separate on tourney days and actually fight it out?

Teams testing together seems fine to me. But sharing all setups, tourney ships, and even coordinating what to do on match days seems like a bit much.

Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.


****, testing together should be encouraged. It brings the overall quality of the tournament way up.

But prize splitting will ruin the tournament. It's the prisoners dilemma, the best choice is always cooperation not competition.
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#166 - 2015-09-15 16:06:33 UTC
Mr Rive wrote:
Citricioni wrote:
Mr Rive wrote:
Skyler Hawk wrote:
This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament.


i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds.



PLs first loss in the AT, was against a "Typhoon + Typhoon Fleet" Setup, so you lost the first match against a "small rock"


Yep. Small rocks can break windows when aimed well and are unexpected.


You are falling into the hubris trap. You believe that your depth of experience and intimate knowledge of this specific process means that no one else can understand how it all works. People don't need to understand the minutia to understand cheating. It doesn't matter how many different ways you can cheat or how deep and engrossing the meta of cheating is. Cheating is cheating. The AT is supposed to be the one pure place for this sorta PVP. A large part of why we have no interest in it. Not that we don't think it is a cool thing for EVE. But, we are just here for empire building. Not leet pvp.

Again, if it was their first time your arguments for mercy might be acceptable. Unfortunately, this is the fool CCP twice point. If the AT is to have even a semblance of fair competition they need to get hit with a very huge stick. Same reason we don't dunk CCP again with Forex. We can, we know the math and the algo. We don't because they already said don't and it is bannable.

Once you get punished for something once, then rewarned and you do it anyway you deserve to get a harsh punishment.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#167 - 2015-09-15 16:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.
Joe Public
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#168 - 2015-09-15 16:17:36 UTC
Rn Bonnet wrote:
But prize splitting will ruin the tournament.

What people do with the proceeds of a tournament win is up to them.

It's entirely outside of the scope of any tournament rules.

I don't see it ruining the tournament either, since you still need to be able to win a prize for any such deal to matter and I don't know many tournament pilots who wouldn't prefer a gold medal to a silver one.
Joe Public
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#169 - 2015-09-15 16:22:39 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.

I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined.

Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already.
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#170 - 2015-09-15 16:26:05 UTC
Shamis Orzoz wrote:

Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.


are you steppin bro?
Swind
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2015-09-15 16:50:03 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.


and Chessur (hydra) aka CCP Hannibal will commentating it in stream with his CCP friends.

left hand, right hand.
Tzuko1
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#172 - 2015-09-15 16:50:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tzuko1
So mr rive hates the entire HUN community becouse what i posted :)

I know how things works, and if i had someone whos willing to do what u did this year, sure do it for the team. THIS still doesnt mean i have to like it. But if you tell me who was the traitor with evidence i help pl next year. Deal ? :D
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#173 - 2015-09-15 16:55:07 UTC
MissBolyai wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
I feel like you're all being trolled really hard.

Spoken like a man that had nothing to do with the tourney other than being convinced by Hendrick to be in a commercial featuring a 3-year old joke.


Woah, it was Manny's idea to use that joke. Don't blame me for it.
Valkin Mordirc
#174 - 2015-09-15 17:05:13 UTC
Joe Public wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.

I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined.

Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already.




I believe he is saying the prize sharing encourages trying to force matches to end is such away that both teams end up fight each other in the end. IE throwing a match so one team can have "Time to Prep" Or "Fight somebody they are confident they can win against."


Which undoubtedly it would, If I could personally give my self a little more chance to win with no repercussions I would probably take it 

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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#175 - 2015-09-15 17:14:17 UTC
Tzuko1 wrote:
So mr rive hates the entire HUN community becouse what i posted :)


dude what are you smoking?
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#176 - 2015-09-15 17:14:27 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Joe Public wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.

I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined.

Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already.




I believe he is saying the prize sharing encourages trying to force matches to end is such away that both teams end up fight each other in the end. IE throwing a match so one team can have "Time to Prep" Or "Fight somebody they are confident they can win against."


Which undoubtedly it would, If I could personally give my self a little more chance to win with no repercussions I would probably take it



Of course the tournament encourages both teams to try get top placement...
thats the point of tournaments.

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Ryu Chaos
Top Gun.
Alt Alliance
#177 - 2015-09-15 17:19:16 UTC
so what we take out of this thread

1) rive is derailing it
2) every single goonswarm member and his mother, wants the AT finished
3) hydra camel fanbois saying its ok they did it in the final after they beat everyone (but they do not take into consideration that hydra threw their second match vs camel so they would have more time to prepare for the BO1 with tuskers and that it was predecided whoever lost the 1st match legitimately would throw the second as well)
4) noone considers the fact that they are technically 2 teams from the same entity that cooperate and that for anyone to win the tourney they need to go through 2x flagships + 20 AT ships flown by very competent people that have decided to split the winnings anyway.

aha, lets keep this going, be it a troll or the truth its funny

@RyuChaos_
Joe Public
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#178 - 2015-09-15 17:27:03 UTC
Ryu Chaos wrote:
1) rive is derailing it

That's just the way he rolls.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#179 - 2015-09-15 17:30:32 UTC
Ryu Chaos wrote:
so what we take out of this thread

2) every single goonswarm member and his mother, wants the AT finished

Nah -- the AT has value. It (usually) is a way to get clued in on upcoming game changes. They may not have done it this year, but I've made a bundle off of it in years previous.

Also, I'm mostly hoping that CCP does nothing about the allegations. This opens up some great opportunities later.

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Joe Public
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#180 - 2015-09-15 17:37:27 UTC
Ryu Chaos wrote:
noone considers the fact that they are technically 3 teams from the same entity that cooperate and that for anyone to win the tourney they need to go through 3x flagships + 30 AT ships flown by mentally handicapped people that are hell bent on getting a runners up position by any means necessary.

FYP

Snigg #1 btw.