EVE New Citizens Q&A

An opportunities about changing overview settings might be helpful. The military career agent has you blow up a narcotic warehouse that you can't see on overview without switching to all objects.

hi, new old guy here, played a long time ago and just made a new account. and i find that i could maby be a good idea to introduce the career agents a tad earlier in the tutorial as some of the "oppertunities" requires some time and isk put into them, and following a carrer path from a agent is in my opinion by far the best way to quickly gain some matriel, ships and experince. and i find it a tad sad that its introduced so late. havng them earlier i feel could benifit new players greatly

Brand new player here that just started a few days ago. I had watched a Youtube video or two about a week before starting but pretty much forgot them by the time I downloaded EVE. The one thing I did remember is the learning curve was going to be steep going in so I was prepared for that and was well aware that the tutorials were only going to scratch the surface.

That being said, there is a huge misstep on these that makes the new player experience a lot harder than it should be. Specifically, it relates to the helpfulness/visibility of the two current tutorial methods - Opportunities and Career Agents. The problem is:

Opportunities - Visibility 10 out of 10: Helpfulness 2 out of 10

Career Agents - Visibility 2 out of 10: Helpfulness 8 out of 10

The opportunity guy comes in pretty much immediately to help you out, but after about his fourth suggestion, he's not really helping at all - he's suggesting stuff the new player is not ready for, can 't afford or he's just outright trolling you (hey, go get yourself podded - it'll be super fun!).

On the flip side, the career agents are going to give you a specific purpose, specific instructions and, most importantly for a new player, actual money / equipment / skills / ships. However, the career agents are fairly well hidden (I only found out from perusing the forums - I had even randomly went into the help feature and still missed them).

So, in summary, the tutorial that is the most helpful is hard to find and the tutorial that is easy to find is not very helpful.

If CCP wants to continue to use both Opps and CAs, the easy fix is make visiting the Career Agents one of the first opportunities (right after the basics) the new player is introduced to (and tell them to hit F12 to find them).

The icon used for the reprocessing plant in the industry opportunity is wrong, the tutorial shows the industry icon with the recycling logo on it, while the actual icon is just the recycling logo.

While I don't hate the new Opportunities system (it does encourage players to do certain things), it has some setbacks.

Under the old tutorial system, players were instantly introduced to a lot reading. I know, harsh. But anybody who has ever been through Eve's tutorial system knows it didn't tell you to do something and leave you in the dark about how to do it. The number of rookies who ask where this is or where that is, we can instantly tell they're attempting to go through Eve using opportunities (similar to people who think that they need to train for certificates in order to fly a ship properly). Opportunities, as I'm sure we can all agree on, aren't a tutorial but are more like achievements not unlike those you might attempt to get on an Xbox game. I wouldn't guide somebody through an Xbox game that way, and Eve is significantly harder and requires a lot of reading, which the old tutorial system did a nice job of providing links with.

Opportunities do have their moments. I was made to know that rookies are (insert number here) percent more likely to have mined/etc than under the old system. Opportunities certainly dumbed down all the reading, and that does make it a little easier for people who are used to games where they don't get attacked by walls of text. I also think achievements are good because people tend to shoot for rewards (otherwise Xbox achievements wouldn't be sought after).

However, there are some things that should be changed (if it's not too much trouble) to the Opportunities system. One such thing is the fact that since they're applied to all players alike, older players can't do certain achievements without a little bit of hassle (such as joining a corporation). And I'm not sure if perhaps I just made a mistake of something I failed to notice, but when going through the new player experience (NPE) as a new Caldari character, I discovered that since there was no Aura to hand me my Civilian Light Scourge Missiles, I had to train to normal Light Missiles in order to do the "Weapon of Choice" part of the Advanced Military Tutorial. This can easily be fixed, I think if the Opportunities were able to pop up at new things like the old tutorial did such as when introduced to a new mission like that. Simple things like being linked to how to shield tank or maybe scanning are necessary, in my wholehearted honest opinion, to the NPE. Also, the new system's suggestions don't logically follow each other, which is a bit of a problem when new players are trying to get through their first day especially considering they're taking it as a tutorial and think they need to follow it one right after the other.

I don't foresee the old tutorial being brought back, thus I see no reason to angrily shout about how this is all wrong. I don't think whoever came up with Opportunities is an idiot, I simply think that at its current stage, it doesn't work very well. When a rookie asks about how to do (insert opportunity here) I simply direct them to the career agents. I don't know what plans CCP has for the Opportunities system, but I sincerely hope it includes a tutorial because a player having mined doesn't mean they're going to keep playing Eve and a player not having mined doesn't mean they're going to drop Eve.

The Opportunities have their benefits, but they have their drawbacks. The reading might have been a chore, but it was a benefit. While I miss the old tutorial system, I can see the Opportunities system working out better if it had some improvements like linking the reading or giving the skillbooks/ammo/etc the tutorial gave and maybe some retroactive awarding along with a logical progression system.

Just did "A Friend in Need (4 of 10)"... Had to buy Remote Armor Systems Repair just to complete the mission, and then I get the skill book as a reward...no bueno. I can only sell that book at a minor fraction of what I had to buy one for...should be the Granted Item in the mission along with the module.

I've just stumbled across this excellent image, showing all the possible branching career paths/main sandbox activities.

That was the sort of diagram I was imagining in my earlier post above.

I started a new character 2 days ago because I wanted to feel the NPE again, and I decided not to give the alt any money or stuff, and to just play like a newbie again, and after about 1 day GM Tegrino convoed me and asked me about the experience (he does a great job imo), and asked me to post my ideas here, so *insert Marios "Here we go"*

1.
Like some other guys already said, there needs to be a better reference to the Career agents, I would suggest to do that after "faster then light", "Base Your Operations", "Fit for Purpose", "Market Forces", "Time to Mine", "Engines of Creation" and "To the stars" are finished, because at that point you know all the stuff from the opportunities that are needed to run the career agent missions.

There could be a text like "For the next Opportunity we would recommend you to fly to *link career agent station closest to the start system*, you can finish your opportunities there and start the next part of your EvE Online experience, Career agent missions."

2.
Like the Link from the opportunities to the Career Agents, there could be a similar recommendation from the Career agents to the regular agents of that type, or a text that gives you a short info about what you can do with the things you learned.
(for example a text when you finish the mining related career agent that reads "Now you know how to mine, so you could fly to *insert station with next mining agent here* and fly mining missions or mine some ore to sell on the Market")

3.
Since a High slot module, a Med slot module and a Low slot module are required to finish the Opportunity "Fit for Purpose", I would suggest that the loot from the 3 NPCs in the starting side gets fixed, so that for caldari eg you get a civilian afterburner, a civilian shield booster and a civilian cargo hold expander so that you can fit med slot and low slot.

4.
The Caldari Business Career Agents wants you to produce 5k Scourge light missiles, which needs some time, and can block the Industry Agent for quite some time since you can only use one producing line at that point, I think that that should at least be pointed out or even be changed in some way.

5.
A lot of starting players makes the first money through mining, but either don't want to travel to the next larger trade system or don't know how to do that, which causes them to be ripped off by some guys who set up buy orders at those stations at maximum half of the normal price, which is not good for the new players of course.
So if that is possible I would suggest to set automated buy orders that are limited to characters that are maximum 1 week old (for example) which have prices that are buond to the market price, so that new players can make fair money in the beginning without being ripped off by greedy guys who want to make profit of them.

I am a previous player who unwisely, and unfortunately due to financial difficulties, allowed his account to lapse. I did not have the funds to reactivate my account and so created a trial so I could get my "EVE fix". When I came in again, I decided to play a race I was not familiar with just to get a change, so I chose Caldari. I came in expecting the usual greeting from Aura and to go board my ship and do the prior basic tutorial, which I had done before, was familiar with, and honestly thought was fine for simply teaching a new user to fly, shoot, and loot, as most of the slightly more advanced techniques, along with some great skills books, came from the Career Trainer missions, with some interjections explaining in more detail some of the concepts from Aura, usually along with more skills, LOL. Imagine my surprise, when I was immediately in my rookie ship, with no boarding tutorial, and after the Opportunities were exhausted, no more fun little sidebars from Aura....one of which at least was very useful, as during the Career trainer missions, you get your first Cybernetics. As a starting player, you obviously don't have Cybernetics 1 which is necessary to even plug them in, and depending on where you are in New Eden, the book can be rather pricey for a new character. In the old system, when you got the first one, either by the Business tutorial, or Military tutorial, whichever you did first, you were given that Skill book, so that about a half hour after you clicked "train to level 1", you could plug it in right away, Now you have to search the market for it, and hope no one is going to be price gouging people for it.

I understand the need for updates, and that some parts of the tutorial were woefully lacking, however, some parts of the old system were really useful for acquiring some of the more less thought of skills that you will eventually need.

Over all I love the game, or I wouldn't need a fix so often, and I do like the LOOK of the new system, so I would rate it a B+ for user friendliness, and an A for overall look and appearance.

Thank you for taking the time to read my little rant, and feel free to correct any misconceptions I may have had.

o7 and fly safe

Hello everyone,

I'm a new player to Eve, and frankly without the help of a friend I would have quit the game.
As I don't want to repeat what the previous poster said all over again I'm making this short.
The first opportunities should tell you to do all career mission and/or that most other opportunities will be completed once the career mission are over.

Giving two industrial ship is good and all but without the skill to fly them is a bit useless, let's say the first one is given in industrial career and give the skill in business or the other way around.

Further more those are tutorial mission do we really need to make a mission that last 4hours because you have to produce fifty(!) of Infrared S (I'm Amarr so it might not be the same for everyone), a 45 minutes or an hour at most would have been better.

Sometimes the career mission give the same skill twice, I understand that with that you can do the mission in no particular order, how about using opportunities to guide the new player in a particular with warning them that they may find it difficult to complete the other if they don't follow opportunities.

I might add there is an opportunities missing, kill your first capsule/ship owned by another player.

Well it is longer than I though it would be, anyway the game is fun to play even if I didn't like the advanced military that has a kill ratio of 100% (the one you have to die for), have fun and fly safe !