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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#121 - 2015-09-14 15:26:16 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Any gender segregation in any topic other than marriage (and thus reproduction) is a perversion worth only gallentean subhumans.

They are as human as we are, Ms. Kim, the Intaki have even taken our side.

Some of them, anyway.
I have a hatred of the Federation too, but I would not call them subhumans. Some are monsters, yes, but not all.

Intaki aren't gallente.
Although existing of some brainwashed individuals like A.Ixiris makes it possible even for Intaki becoming a subhuman...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#122 - 2015-09-14 16:12:12 UTC
Neph wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Whatever your intentions, your attack on Matari women isn't distinguishable from an attack on women.

I wonder then, why it is so hard to see an attack on Matari as indistinguishable from an attack on any humans?

Well ... grim as it sounds, there is sort of an answer to that.

For good or ill, humans aren't naturally wired to care about their entire species. At base, we're set up to care about roughly 140 people-- about the size of a small village or tribal group. It's possible to expand this by introducing more abstract concepts into the mix, tossing in regional identity or people who use similar languages, the process eventually producing national identity.

The larger a group gets, the more attenuated it seems to become, though. Lots of people claim to care about humanity as a whole. Probably a few really do. Usually, something more is needed. Some identifying link is typically used to produce empathy, hence caring, hence action. It's why charity drives so often show you pictures of suffering children.

People die all the time. A lot of them are people we kill. But those are just statistics. It's harder to turn away from violence when it becomes personalized in some way.

Nauplius does his victims a favor, kind of: he wants us to know what he's doing. He wants to glorify his god (or else just wants the attention). The sorts of things he does are largely pointless if no one knows about them, so ... he effectively runs charity campaigns for the destruction of what he builds.

There are probably things just as horrible happening elsewhere. We just never hear much about them, so we don't feel compelled to do anything.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#123 - 2015-09-14 16:59:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
I have a slightly different explanation though.
Empathy is that thing that is actually wired to the brain. But for it to work, we need projection, and it works when we get visual or audio contact. We need some force that projects what happens with others (provided we consider them humans, and we can think they are identical to us) onto us, and this force is our senses. Empathy works through them, not through logic.

That's actually reason why space ship pilots don't feel empathy to crew that they kill, even if they acknowledge their existence. Some admit they are killers through logic. Others - simply ignore even existence of crews. Others don't care about it. And some use "false empathy" - they know there are people, and that they die, and they know they don't feel empathy to them, but they try to behave like they do. And they do this mostly for the sake to show themselves as "unique shining sunflowers", who cares about "poor people", while all others are just "space villains".

Mr. Nauplius actions, or more like - descriptions, could cause visuals presentation in minds of sensitive readers that might turn on empathy even without actual visual or audio feed. Especially, as we can see, even CONCORD had to intervene to get rid of the most graphic depiction of his deeds.

Unfortunately, I have dealt with problem of empathy myself, and it is rather hard force that might be too difficult to overcome even in combat situation. But, knowing how feels empathy and how strong can be its resistance when it prevents you to do your duty, I have to say, that reading of Mr. Nauplius descriptions did not turn on this mechanism in me. I didn't feel empathy to his victims, but rather felt deep disgust to what he was doing. As it was simply repulsive, dirty and unacceptable to any healthy mind.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-09-14 17:39:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Any gender segregation in any topic other than marriage (and thus reproduction) is a perversion worth only gallentean subhumans.

They are as human as we are, Ms. Kim, the Intaki have even taken our side.

Some of them, anyway.
I have a hatred of the Federation too, but I would not call them subhumans. Some are monsters, yes, but not all.

Intaki aren't gallente.
Although existing of some brainwashed individuals like A.Ixiris makes it possible even for Intaki becoming a subhuman...


Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts. Yet only 3 days ago I was tasked by my research agents to rescue a group of passenger from stricken liner under attack from Caldari forces.

I did so as the victims of this attack were civilians in Federation space. I gathered the tags of many Caldari officers from the wrecks on site. Guess how many survivors from the passengers I managed to recover?

One.

Both sides in this pointless war are at fault, and both will completely lay the blame at each others feet. For my part I am removing myself from such stupidity. You are patriotic as are many and as such can be blinded to the truth. Open your eyes and see that they are all the same, Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Matari governments.

Do somthing to help all people not just your own
Viktor Revon
#125 - 2015-09-14 20:32:26 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Any gender segregation in any topic other than marriage (and thus reproduction) is a perversion worth only gallentean subhumans.

They are as human as we are, Ms. Kim, the Intaki have even taken our side.

Some of them, anyway.
I have a hatred of the Federation too, but I would not call them subhumans. Some are monsters, yes, but not all.

Intaki aren't gallente.
Although existing of some brainwashed individuals like A.Ixiris makes it possible even for Intaki becoming a subhuman...


Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts. Yet only 3 days ago I was tasked by my research agents to rescue a group of passenger from stricken liner under attack from Caldari forces.

I did so as the victims of this attack were civilians in Federation space. I gathered the tags of many Caldari officers from the wrecks on site. Guess how many survivors from the passengers I managed to recover?

One.

Both sides in this pointless war are at fault, and both will completely lay the blame at each others feet. For my part I am removing myself from such stupidity. You are patriotic as are many and as such can be blinded to the truth. Open your eyes and see that they are all the same, Gallente, Caldari, Amarr and Matari governments.

Do somthing to help all people not just your own

This, he has spoken the truth.
The war is pointless, I take a side only for personal revenge, and once that is done, I plan to remove myself from that scene.

Too many innocents have died at the hands of people like you, loyal to their government, but blinded by their loyalty.

Also, the Intaki are Gallente, in a way, just as the Civire and other bloodlines are Caldari.
Civire used to be Gallente too, but we broke away.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#126 - 2015-09-14 23:36:37 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:
The war is pointless

Viktor Revon wrote:
I take a side only for personal revenge


Huh. So your personal revenge is perfectly merited, but nobody else's is? Oh, I see. Whatever happened to you is more important than that which happened to the WHOLE CALDARI NATION; shame on me for not noticing earlier.

Personally, I believe all revenge is a pointless, ultimately selfish reason to do anything. Protect the living instead of trying to kill for the dead. The State should try to restart diplomatic relations with the Federation, as should the Republic with the Empire. It's not like Factional Warfare is doing anything except keeping trigger-happy eggers satisfied and giving suicidal crew members a quick out.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2015-09-15 04:10:30 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts.

You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.
Point exactly WHAT act of State forces I have denied and WHEN?
Or admit yourself being brainwashed baka. Well, I'll consider it you will admit it by failing to give exact answer on this question. Will hold further conversation and answering your other points of your reply until you answer on this one.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2015-09-15 08:45:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts.

You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.
Point exactly WHAT act of State forces I have denied and WHEN?
Or admit yourself being brainwashed baka. Well, I'll consider it you will admit it by failing to give exact answer on this question. Will hold further conversation and answering your other points of your reply until you answer on this one.


I am neither sick nor brainwashed. And you just denied that I destroyed a group of mercenary vessels that were subsequently reinforced by many State vessels. They had attacked and destroyed 3 civilian liners for whatever reason they were ordered to inside Federation space.

I have no reason to lie, this war has no meaning to me beyond the pointless waste of lives and resources. Study the histories but not just one Empires take on them. If you seek to destroy the Federation because of 'War Crimes' then look to your own too. Your loyalty does you credit but your cause is flawed. You should give your loyalty to those that deserve it, not those who would simply use it to further their own ends.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#129 - 2015-09-15 14:57:01 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts.

You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.
Point exactly WHAT act of State forces I have denied and WHEN?
Or admit yourself being brainwashed baka. Well, I'll consider it you will admit it by failing to give exact answer on this question. Will hold further conversation and answering your other points of your reply until you answer on this one.


I am neither sick nor brainwashed. And you just denied that I destroyed a group of mercenary vessels that were subsequently reinforced by many State vessels. They had attacked and destroyed 3 civilian liners for whatever reason they were ordered to inside Federation space.

I have no reason to lie

You have just lied, claiming I "denied" anything, where I have just asked you. If you could grow a bit of brain behind those two eyes, you would be able to understand, that I didn't address that your "group of mercenaries" completely, neither denying nor confirming it. Yet you blindly and stupidly claim I denied it. Your ignorance really annoys me.

And at the same time you have FAILED answering the question, thus I can't treat you more like a thinking person and should address you as a blind gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

I guess you have earned being named liar now and your point of view can be simply discarded. Don't waste my time with your lies anymore, now everyone can see they have no ground.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#130 - 2015-09-15 18:00:27 UTC
Can you both cut it out and focus on the point of this thread.... That Nauplius is a psycho and must be destroyed.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-09-15 19:12:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts.

You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.
Point exactly WHAT act of State forces I have denied and WHEN?
Or admit yourself being brainwashed baka. Well, I'll consider it you will admit it by failing to give exact answer on this question. Will hold further conversation and answering your other points of your reply until you answer on this one.


I am neither sick nor brainwashed. And you just denied that I destroyed a group of mercenary vessels that were subsequently reinforced by many State vessels. They had attacked and destroyed 3 civilian liners for whatever reason they were ordered to inside Federation space.

I have no reason to lie

You have just lied, claiming I "denied" anything, where I have just asked you. If you could grow a bit of brain behind those two eyes, you would be able to understand, that I didn't address that your "group of mercenaries" completely, neither denying nor confirming it. Yet you blindly and stupidly claim I denied it. Your ignorance really annoys me.

And at the same time you have FAILED answering the question, thus I can't treat you more like a thinking person and should address you as a blind gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

I guess you have earned being named liar now and your point of view can be simply discarded. Don't waste my time with your lies anymore, now everyone can see they have no ground.


You consistently deny that the State have *ever* done anything wrong, you are clearly to bound by whatever drove you to become the creature you now are. I do not promote the Federation and therefore cannot be any part of any propaganda machine. I have not lied but you are so blinkered you can see nothing beyond your hate. I pity you for this.
Viktor Revon
#132 - 2015-09-15 21:07:31 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:

Ms Kim,

You really need to analyze all aspects of the interactions between the Empires. You vilify the Federation for the wrongs it does (Perceived or real) and deny that the State performs any such acts.

You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.
Point exactly WHAT act of State forces I have denied and WHEN?
Or admit yourself being brainwashed baka. Well, I'll consider it you will admit it by failing to give exact answer on this question. Will hold further conversation and answering your other points of your reply until you answer on this one.


I am neither sick nor brainwashed. And you just denied that I destroyed a group of mercenary vessels that were subsequently reinforced by many State vessels. They had attacked and destroyed 3 civilian liners for whatever reason they were ordered to inside Federation space.

I have no reason to lie

You have just lied, claiming I "denied" anything, where I have just asked you. If you could grow a bit of brain behind those two eyes, you would be able to understand, that I didn't address that your "group of mercenaries" completely, neither denying nor confirming it. Yet you blindly and stupidly claim I denied it. Your ignorance really annoys me.

And at the same time you have FAILED answering the question, thus I can't treat you more like a thinking person and should address you as a blind gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

I guess you have earned being named liar now and your point of view can be simply discarded. Don't waste my time with your lies anymore, now everyone can see they have no ground.

This 'Gallente Propaganda Machine' just advocated for peace, rather than war.
You, in return, have called him a liar and a Propaganda machine.

You are more akin to a propaganda machine than he, or I.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#133 - 2015-09-16 03:15:29 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:

This 'Gallente Propaganda Machine' just advocated for peace, rather than war.
You, in return, have called him a liar and a Propaganda machine.

You are more akin to a propaganda machine than he, or I.

He was publicly lying about me, I had to reply to Corraidhin Farsaidh's insolence and groundless attacks. Learn to read, and review what he has written and why I called him out for this. I might send you some reading tutorials if you won't be able to find it yourself without me explicitly quoting that part.

And should I name and shame you as well for your rude attempt at switching discussion to me instead of the tower?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Viktor Revon
#134 - 2015-09-16 04:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Viktor Revon
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:

This 'Gallente Propaganda Machine' just advocated for peace, rather than war.
You, in return, have called him a liar and a Propaganda machine.

You are more akin to a propaganda machine than he, or I.

He was publicly lying about me, I had to reply to Corraidhin Farsaidh's insolence and groundless attacks. Learn to read, and review what he has written and why I called him out for this. I might send you some reading tutorials if you won't be able to find it yourself without me explicitly quoting that part.

And should I name and shame you as well for your rude attempt at switching discussion to me instead of the tower?

The tower has been dealt with, and right now, I need to at least attempt to show you reason.

Also, he did not provide an example, this is true, but there is no ground to call him a liar due to it, unless you can prove you have never defended the State's actions.

I can read just fine, Ms. Kim, and I have had no problem whatsoever reading thus far.

You jumped out and said this against him.

Diana Kim wrote:
You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.

This is where I have a problem.

He had not lied, as to be proven yet, and you claimed him to be a liar out front.
You also took it a step further and insulted him, claiming him to be brainwashed.

He did lie right after though, I understand such, and do not have a problem with you calling him a liar then.

Diana Kim wrote:
And at the same time you have FAILED answering the question, thus I can't treat you more like a thinking person and should address you as a blind gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

I take a problem with this too.

Someone didn't answer your question, but this does not mean they are not a thinking person, and I would argue that he carries more wisdom than you. Why? He just advocated against the wars, not for either s...

Diana Kim wrote:
should address you as a blind Gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

As I was saying he did not advocate for the Gallente, nor Caldari, he was neutral.

This claim is just... I can't actually describe how terrible it is, and ignorant.

Ms. Neph,

I guess I should agree. My anger kept me going for far longer than I would have gone without it.
Getting your family murdered by those who you fought with is something that causes some to go mad.
Others seek revenge, as I am, or perhaps was.

I shall attempt to loose my desire for revenge, and spare the last one who aided in the deaths of my family.

Thank you for, I guess, showing me just a bit of reason, or logic rather, I was blind to.

"Into the dark abyss shall we venture once more." - Viktor Revon

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#135 - 2015-09-16 05:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
Viktor Revon wrote:

I shall attempt to loose my desire for revenge, and spare the last one who aided in the deaths of my family.

Thank you for, I guess, showing me just a bit of reason, or logic rather, I was blind to.


Huh. That was surprisingly easy.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2015-09-16 08:17:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:

This 'Gallente Propaganda Machine' just advocated for peace, rather than war.
You, in return, have called him a liar and a Propaganda machine.

You are more akin to a propaganda machine than he, or I.

He was publicly lying about me, I had to reply to Corraidhin Farsaidh's insolence and groundless attacks. Learn to read, and review what he has written and why I called him out for this. I might send you some reading tutorials if you won't be able to find it yourself without me explicitly quoting that part.

And should I name and shame you as well for your rude attempt at switching discussion to me instead of the tower?


I did not lie and did not attack you. I merely stated that all sides are at fault in these wars, and I have no doubt that all sides have committed acts that would be at the very least questionable.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2015-09-16 08:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Neph wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:

I shall attempt to loose my desire for revenge, and spare the last one who aided in the deaths of my family.

Thank you for, I guess, showing me just a bit of reason, or logic rather, I was blind to.


Huh. That was surprisingly easy.


Vengeance is always a wasteful effort for little productive gain anyhow.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#138 - 2015-09-16 09:42:40 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Viktor Revon wrote:

This 'Gallente Propaganda Machine' just advocated for peace, rather than war.
You, in return, have called him a liar and a Propaganda machine.

You are more akin to a propaganda machine than he, or I.

He was publicly lying about me, I had to reply to Corraidhin Farsaidh's insolence and groundless attacks. Learn to read, and review what he has written and why I called him out for this. I might send you some reading tutorials if you won't be able to find it yourself without me explicitly quoting that part.

And should I name and shame you as well for your rude attempt at switching discussion to me instead of the tower?


I did not lie and did not attack you. I merely stated that all sides are at fault in these wars, and I have no doubt that all sides have committed acts that would be at the very least questionable.

Corraidhin Farsaidh,

you dared to speak about me in conversation that isn't about me, and you have said:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
You ... ... and deny that the State performs any such acts.

And this is not simple putting my person into conversation, but also lying about my person.
You have been called to provide proof of your words, and you have failed. You neither defended nor took back your words.

And thus I do not care about your other words, if you can't participate in discussion without attacking others, if you can't behave yourself and discuss the topic instead of authors, I am not interested in listening your other words, and will put you into the same "bucket" as infamous individuals like Makoto Priano, Andreus Ixiris and ilk like that, whom I don't consider as "opponents" in discussion, but rather as communication clogging junk, and will treat your replies as such.

You will get what you bring. Remember it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#139 - 2015-09-16 10:07:26 UTC
Viktor Revon wrote:

The tower has been dealt with, and right now, I need to at least attempt to show you reason.

Also, he did not provide an example, this is true, but there is no ground to call him a liar due to it, unless you can prove you have never defended the State's actions.

I can read just fine, Ms. Kim, and I have had no problem whatsoever reading thus far.

I don't have to justify my actions because someone said something wrong about me. It would be his responsibility to bring any proofs if he have to blame me in something, or to bring something that I don't agree with. Simply because he was saying something without proof about other person (me) that other person didn't agree with. Since proof wasn't provided this makes him liar. I believe this is called slander.

Viktor Revon wrote:

You jumped out and said this against him.

Diana Kim wrote:
You sick brainwashed gallentean liar.

This is where I have a problem.

He had not lied, as to be proven yet, and you claimed him to be a liar out front.
You also took it a step further and insulted him, claiming him to be brainwashed.

He did lie right after though, I understand such, and do not have a problem with you calling him a liar then.

I don't see here a problem. I will defend myself against any attack and will make sure to strike back with greater force. I have explained above why he actually lied about me in his statement. And I confirm my words.

My claim of him being brainwashed doesn't have explicit proofs, but since you are asking, I'll reply why I have used this word:
Accusations like this are often heard from gallentean propagandists, and of course they always didn't bring any real proofs to their words. He behaved exactly like them. And gallentean propagandists believe their words not because they analyze the concepts, but because they were made to think like that with constant repeating, for example, that "freedom is good", or "democracy is good". I have simply extended my conclusions to his person based on observation of his behavior.

Viktor Revon wrote:

I take a problem with this too.

Someone didn't answer your question, but this does not mean they are not a thinking person, and I would argue that he carries more wisdom than you. Why? He just advocated against the wars, not for either s...

Diana Kim wrote:
should address you as a blind Gallente propaganda machine, in space as well as in comms.

As I was saying he did not advocate for the Gallente, nor Caldari, he was neutral.

This claim is just... I can't actually describe how terrible it is, and ignorant.

What he was advocating - is attempt to insult Caldari Officer and tried to get away with it.
And if a person attacks Caldari, they aren't neutral. They are "red". It is pretty much obvious that attacking Caldari Officers gives advantage to Gallenteans.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2015-09-16 11:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Diana Kim wrote:

stuff
.


Your threats are empty and hollow as we are never likely to meet in combat.

As to your accusation that I am lying: Do you admit that the State has committed acts that would certainly bear scrutiny by a War Crimes tribunal? If you do then I apologize for misrepresenting your position. If you don't then I am not lying.

Also note that I am not Gallentean, I do not operate under the political or (im)moral standards of any Empire. I do as I choose and live where I please, but I always protect the innocent citizens of *any* of the Empires if and when required. It is my duty as a capsuleer to do so