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The Moment you realize you're the bad guy

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#41 - 2015-09-14 21:35:05 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Chat logs are removed from posts under the forum rules regardless of veracity or source, partly because of the inability to have any sort of guarantee of their source or veracity.

To the OP, If you have evidence of any collusion or breach of rules in the tournament, please submit it via support ticket under community and we will look into it. We take this very seriously. The more information (including timestamps wherever possible), the better.


Are you saying that if he doesn't file a ticket you won't?


Basics of investigations, they need a valid complainant, else its just spear fishing and hoping you can make sense of stuff.

Yaay!!!!
Alt ofanalt Spai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2015-09-14 21:35:23 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Chat logs are removed from posts under the forum rules regardless of veracity or source, partly because of the inability to have any sort of guarantee of their source or veracity.

To the OP, If you have evidence of any collusion or breach of rules in the tournament, please submit it via support ticket under community and we will look into it. We take this very seriously. The more information (including timestamps wherever possible), the better.


Are you saying that if he doesn't file a ticket you won't?



sounds like it
Niden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2015-09-14 21:36:00 UTC
I like how people are just straight up buying it based on one statement. How about waiting for the accused to respond before you cast judgement? Have some sense folks.

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Tiberizzle
Your Mom Heavy Industries
#44 - 2015-09-14 21:36:37 UTC
who even cares about the alliance tournament anymore

it's been mired in **** for as long as i can remember -- bizarro world setups that only function within the constraints of the absolutely comical rules, overt collusion, cheating

cheaters won the cheating contest to receive ccp's yearly 2t cheating subsidy in alliance tournament cheating non-shocker
Anslo
Scope Works
#45 - 2015-09-14 21:38:44 UTC
This is gonna be good.

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-09-14 21:43:46 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Chat logs are removed from posts under the forum rules regardless of veracity or source, partly because of the inability to have any sort of guarantee of their source or veracity.

To the OP, If you have evidence of any collusion or breach of rules in the tournament, please submit it via support ticket under community and we will look into it. We take this very seriously. The more information (including timestamps wherever possible), the better.


Are you saying that if he doesn't file a ticket you won't?


Basics of investigations, they need a valid complainant, else its just spear fishing and hoping you can make sense of stuff.


Not remotely true. They went ahead and did a dev post before the tourny about this. Clearly they had already "looked" into it enough for that.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#47 - 2015-09-14 21:43:55 UTC
Niden wrote:
I like how people are just straight up buying it based on one statement. How about waiting for the accused to respond before you cast judgement? Have some sense folks.


Its been 20 minutes.

My popcorn's almost gone.

But we'll see what happens.

Drama for the week activated.

Yaay!!!!
Ryu Chaos
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#48 - 2015-09-14 21:44:40 UTC
troll or real, epic thread, tyvm

@RyuChaos_
Mostlyharmlesss
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-09-14 21:47:50 UTC
Tiberizzle wrote:
who even cares about the alliance tournament anymore

it's been mired in **** for as long as i can remember -- bizarro world setups that only function within the constraints of the absolutely comical rules, overt collusion, cheating

cheaters won the cheating contest to receive ccp's yearly 2t cheating subsidy in alliance tournament cheating non-shocker


Not empty quoting

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John Blathos
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#50 - 2015-09-14 21:48:50 UTC
William Ruben wrote:
Congratulations Clockwork Pineapple the real winners of the AT

As soon as we lost the first match I knew there was cheating afoot. Otherwise the PVP JUGGERNAUT would have surely ploughed on.



I'm struggling to see how this warrants "bans all round" or seizing of prizes since, as far as I can tell, this is the same type of collusion and match-fixing as in AT9 - where no bans were given nor prizes removed, afaik? Maybe I missed it happening.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#51 - 2015-09-14 21:48:53 UTC
EVE players game every aspect of the game, color me surprised that the Tournament was rigged from the word go... (But I hope they enjoy their free trip to Iceland this year!)

Also, you should've stole some AT prize ships before you burned every bridge you can think of!

...
MissBolyai
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#52 - 2015-09-14 21:49:01 UTC
https://twitter.com/PANDEMICLEGlON/status/638151503849652228

check out that prophet running the official pl twitter....
Ayuren Aakiwa
When i Look Up At The Stars I Am Filled With Rage
#53 - 2015-09-14 21:52:29 UTC
Seriously **** you guys. I hope you get the permabans you deserve
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#54 - 2015-09-14 21:53:40 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Chat logs are removed from posts under the forum rules regardless of veracity or source, partly because of the inability to have any sort of guarantee of their source or veracity.

To the OP, If you have evidence of any collusion or breach of rules in the tournament, please submit it via support ticket under community and we will look into it. We take this very seriously. The more information (including timestamps wherever possible), the better.


Are you saying that if he doesn't file a ticket you won't?


Basics of investigations, they need a valid complainant, else its just spear fishing and hoping you can make sense of stuff.


Not remotely true. They went ahead and did a dev post before the tourny about this. Clearly they had already "looked" into it enough for that.


Looking and actually doing, much much different.

You can't prosecute someone for doing a crime if you don't have any evidence of it, and CCP isn't going to stalk peoples slack, mumble, teamspeak, text messages, etc etc etc.

The guys pretty much a whistleblower. He has evidence and is coming forward, but he's doing it infront of the entire community.

Basically he's forcing a investigation by risking his entire game life. I'll give him some credit for that.

Basically what will happen is a bunch of people will either lie, or someone else will come forward to corroborate what he's stating. They don't need 100 witnesses, just 1 with a method of backing up what he's alleging. In this case, unchanged logs and other people who saw what happened.

Also.. this isn't the US Court System, this is basically a dictatorship on CCP's end. If they feel like they've been cheated and lied to, they can go after anybody and everybody involved with pretty much next to no evidence, and there would be no appeal to it.

They get 1 person to come forward.... (Yes I watch alot of crime dramas)

But yea a investigation. I'm curious what the CSM are thinking to be honest.

Yaay!!!!
MissBolyai
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#55 - 2015-09-14 21:57:01 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
I'm curious what the CSM are thinking to be honest.


Congrats on being the first person to ever type that.
Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#56 - 2015-09-14 21:57:06 UTC
Pretty sure we're all getting trolled. But regardless I want all 3 medals please.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-09-14 21:59:37 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Aryth wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
Chat logs are removed from posts under the forum rules regardless of veracity or source, partly because of the inability to have any sort of guarantee of their source or veracity.

To the OP, If you have evidence of any collusion or breach of rules in the tournament, please submit it via support ticket under community and we will look into it. We take this very seriously. The more information (including timestamps wherever possible), the better.


Are you saying that if he doesn't file a ticket you won't?


Basics of investigations, they need a valid complainant, else its just spear fishing and hoping you can make sense of stuff.


Not remotely true. They went ahead and did a dev post before the tourny about this. Clearly they had already "looked" into it enough for that.


Looking and actually doing, much much different.

You can't prosecute someone for doing a crime if you don't have any evidence of it, and CCP isn't going to stalk peoples slack, mumble, teamspeak, text messages, etc etc etc.

The guys pretty much a whistleblower. He has evidence and is coming forward, but he's doing it infront of the entire community.

Basically he's forcing a investigation by risking his entire game life. I'll give him some credit for that.

Basically what will happen is a bunch of people will either lie, or someone else will come forward to corroborate what he's stating. They don't need 100 witnesses, just 1 with a method of backing up what he's alleging. In this case, unchanged logs and other people who saw what happened.

Also.. this isn't the US Court System, this is basically a dictatorship on CCP's end. If they feel like they've been cheated and lied to, they can go after anybody and everybody involved with pretty much next to no evidence, and there would be no appeal to it.

They get 1 person to come forward.... (Yes I watch alot of crime dramas)

But yea a investigation. I'm curious what the CSM are thinking to be honest.


Making sure I quote this because you are obviously completely oblivious to recent events. You know, where they did exactly that. When I read stalk peoples slack I just lost it.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
capt weeman
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2015-09-14 22:00:49 UTC
So are all eve-bet's on the last day gonna get reinburst sicne it was a fix?? lol
Ripard Teg
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#59 - 2015-09-14 22:01:42 UTC
Doomchinchilla wrote:
Pretty sure we're all getting trolled.

If it's a troll, it's the stupidest troll ever, on a metaphorical level with walking into the Aurora, CO premiere of Dawn of Justice wearing a fake gas mask and carrying a toy assault rifle.

CODE. trolled the Alliance Tournament. Someone remind me how that worked out for them. Blink

aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#60 - 2015-09-14 22:06:04 UTC
Disappointing if true, though overall this year's AT was the best I've seen in terms of the matches.

Biggest disappointment for me if this is true is the impact of it on things like EVE_NT Collides, where it is totally possible that both leaderships do the same thing again when they are there together.

Also feel sorry for the members of the teams that were there to fight within the rules.

No assumption on my part that this is true, but it needs to be investigated.