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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#21 - 2015-09-14 17:02:38 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This kind of nonsensical goalpost shifting is literally the only way anti-gankers can even hope to claim victory.


Lets repeat it so you can understand the point which was made by another poster.

Bumblefck wrote:
To be fair, on the CODE website, they do make sweeping and grandiose claims that all freighters and miners and whatnot in highsec are operating illegally (and are thus subject to termination if they don't have a permit), so it's not unreasonable to assume that they'd go after ALL of them ShockedOopsBlink


Which is not the moving of goalposts, but the measure of success or failure as hard cold logic in CODE's own words on their website and in their definition of anyone without a permit as a criminal, which is why every time I go past one of their concentrations I remind them in local that they have failed again...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2015-09-14 17:03:32 UTC
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:
'Lawks a' Mercy Mr Darcy, another Code thread! Oi'll put kattle on roight thes menit Sir!' (Authentic BBC costume-drama all-purpose west-country patois. I kid you not.)
As someone from the west country.... needs more cider.


Quite correct, Jonah; but not that fizzy schyte which passes for cider in most establishments. The real honest-to-goodness head-pounding muck which my forebears supped in - Rysrudh (Redruth)!

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Fizzy apple juice is not cider, real cider comes in earthenware flagons, often contains meat and is strained through the teeth.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#23 - 2015-09-14 17:18:29 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This kind of nonsensical goalpost shifting is literally the only way anti-gankers can even hope to claim victory.


Lets repeat it so you can understand the point which was made by another poster.

Bumblefck wrote:
To be fair, on the CODE website, they do make sweeping and grandiose claims that all freighters and miners and whatnot in highsec are operating illegally (and are thus subject to termination if they don't have a permit), so it's not unreasonable to assume that they'd go after ALL of them ShockedOopsBlink


Which is not the moving of goalposts, but the measure of success or failure as hard cold logic in CODE's own words on their website and in their definition of anyone without a permit as a criminal, which is why every time I go past one of their concentrations I remind them in local that they have failed again...


Oh gosh, people with amibitions currently beyond their reach? We need an inquisition or something to knock this **** off before other people aspire to achieve more. I nominate you as witchfinder general.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-09-14 17:22:02 UTC
admiral root wrote:
I nominate you as witchfinder general.
Oh my, Ripard will be displeased.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#25 - 2015-09-14 17:25:18 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
admiral root wrote:
I nominate you as witchfinder general.
Oh my, Ripard will be displeased.


He can be pope Urban II?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-09-14 17:38:19 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
admiral root wrote:
I nominate you as witchfinder general.
Oh my, Ripard will be displeased.


He can be Pope Urban II?
That could be interesting, wasn't he the guy that sent multitudes of heavily armoured fundies on a mission from god to kill heretics in the holy land? Although that pretty much sounds like the entire premise of the Amarr Empire tbh.


I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#27 - 2015-09-14 17:53:47 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
admiral root wrote:
I nominate you as witchfinder general.
Oh my, Ripard will be displeased.


He can be Pope Urban II?
That could be interesting, wasn't he the guy that sent multitudes of heavily armoured fundies on a mission from god to kill heretics in the holy land? Although that pretty much sounds like the entire premise of the Amarr Empire tbh.




That's the chap. Very big on forcing his way on others and answering to no-one.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-09-14 18:05:55 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
This kind of nonsensical goalpost shifting is literally the only way anti-gankers can even hope to claim victory.


Lets repeat it so you can understand the point which was made by another poster.

Bumblefck wrote:
To be fair, on the CODE website, they do make sweeping and grandiose claims that all freighters and miners and whatnot in highsec are operating illegally (and are thus subject to termination if they don't have a permit), so it's not unreasonable to assume that they'd go after ALL of them ShockedOopsBlink


Which is not the moving of goalposts, but the measure of success or failure as hard cold logic in CODE's own words on their website and in their definition of anyone without a permit as a criminal, which is why every time I go past one of their concentrations I remind them in local that they have failed again...


Oh gosh, people with amibitions currently beyond their reach? We need an inquisition or something to knock this **** off before other people aspire to achieve more. I nominate you as witchfinder general.


How dare you sully the good name of the Inquisition by associating it with these pants on head types?!?!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#29 - 2015-09-14 18:12:24 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
How dare you sully the good name of the Inquisition by associating it with these pants on head types?!?!


Speaking of pants on heads, how was the break up of BL for you, did you buy that Blockade Runner? I had a mental impression of hordes of BL pilots arriving in Jita, buying what they needed then undocking and getting instra locked and blasted by massed ranks of gankers, was kinda funny.

But if pointing out that CODE is failing based on their stated objective is pants on heads, better ask James315 about those pants on his head Big smileEvilTwisted

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-09-14 18:19:59 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
How dare you sully the good name of the Inquisition by associating it with these pants on head types?!?!


Speaking of pants on heads, how was the break up of BL for you, did you buy that Blockade Runner? I had a mental impression of hordes of BL pilots arriving in Jita, buying what they needed then undocking and getting instra locked and blasted by massed ranks of gankers, was kinda funny.

But if pointing out that CODE is failing based on their stated objective is pants on heads, better ask James315 about those pants on his head Big smileEvilTwisted


What blockade runner?

I left BL about a week before whatever happened to them happened. RL changes to my eve schedule prevented me from staying, since you care about my corp status. Great bunch of guys, and let me assure you that whatever happened to them, they still did more in EVE than you ever have.

Your arguments don't even make sense. It's like saying the allies lost WW2 because they didn't win the whole thing in one fight.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#31 - 2015-09-14 18:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Leto Thule wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
How dare you sully the good name of the Inquisition by associating it with these pants on head types?!?!


Speaking of pants on heads, how was the break up of BL for you, did you buy that Blockade Runner? I had a mental impression of hordes of BL pilots arriving in Jita, buying what they needed then undocking and getting instra locked and blasted by massed ranks of gankers, was kinda funny.

But if pointing out that CODE is failing based on their stated objective is pants on heads, better ask James315 about those pants on his head Big smileEvilTwisted


What blockade runner?

I left BL about a week before whatever happened to them happened. RL changes to my eve schedule prevented me from staying, since you care about my corp status. Great bunch of guys, and let me assure you that whatever happened to them, they still did more in EVE than you ever have.

Your arguments don't even make sense. It's like saying the allies lost WW2 because they didn't win the whole thing in one fight.


Of course BL as a group have done more in Eve than I have, what a ridiculous barb, and PL have done more than you, see I can do it too.

Your own mind is making that comparison which is rather a silly one, for example the collapse of the Byzantium Empire all links back to one battle, the battle of Manzikert, the chaos that occurred afterwards resulted in the loss of Anatolia to the Turks and that was a disaster because it was the heart of the Empire.

In terms of CODE its a campaign to make all of hisec CODE compliant there is no one single battle just lots of small engagements that stop a fraction of the traffic and as a result they are failing at making hisec CODE compliant, what don't you understand about that, personally I think that a police force that only can deal with 1% to 2% of law breakers is not an effective police force, over to your next pants on head...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-09-14 18:57:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Dracvlad wrote:

Of course BL as a group have done more in Eve than I have, what a ridiculous barb, and PL have done more than you, see I can do it too.

Your own mind is making that comparison which is rather a silly one, for example the collapse of the Byzantium Empire all links back to one battle, the battle of Manzikert, the chaos that occurred afterwards resulted in the loss of Anatolia to the Turks and that was a disaster because it was the heart of the Empire.

In terms of CODE its a campaign to make all of hisec CODE compliant there is no one single battle just lots of small engagements that stop a fraction of the traffic and as a result they are failing at making hisec CODE compliant, what don't you understand about that, personally I think that a police force that only can deal with 1% to 2% of law breakers is not an effective police force, over to your next pants on head...


Dude you were the one who attempted a silly jape at BL falling apart, I said nothing about PL. The point is you clowning on a corp you couldn't hold a candle to. I never said anything about anyone but YOU.

I'm not gonna debate it with you man. Say what you will about CODE "losing", they are laughing at you every time they bring down one of those highsec supers. I don't see them getting taken around the block losing multi billion ISK ships.

But no. They lose. Because they can't kill every single freighter in the game. At the same time. Always.

Edit: Damn you, Sasha. Now aside from dealing with my flights being delayed all day, I get to read this guys warped logic. Totally your fault.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#33 - 2015-09-14 19:11:42 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Of course BL as a group have done more in Eve than I have, what a ridiculous barb, and PL have done more than you, see I can do it too.

Your own mind is making that comparison which is rather a silly one, for example the collapse of the Byzantium Empire all links back to one battle, the battle of Manzikert, the chaos that occurred afterwards resulted in the loss of Anatolia to the Turks and that was a disaster because it was the heart of the Empire.

In terms of CODE its a campaign to make all of hisec CODE compliant there is no one single battle just lots of small engagements that stop a fraction of the traffic and as a result they are failing at making hisec CODE compliant, what don't you understand about that, personally I think that a police force that only can deal with 1% to 2% of law breakers is not an effective police force, over to your next pants on head...


Dude you were the one who attempted a silly jape at BL falling apart, I said nothing about PL. The point is you clowning on a corp you couldn't hold a candle to. I never said anything about anyone but YOU.

I'm not gonna debate it with you man. Say what you will about CODE "losing", they are laughing at you every time they bring down one of those highsec supers. I don't see them getting taken around the block losing multi billion ISK ships.

But no. They lose. Because they can't kill every single freighter in the game. At the same time. Always.


I was wondering if you brought a Blockade Runner that was all, a bit sensitive aren't you, actually I have been in Elo Knight fleets a few times, very very good FC. Are you talking about the corp you are in now, well I would say quite easily that my corp has been far more successful recently than your corp. I am in fact sad to see BL die, I have fond memories of them when I was on their side in the Tribute war, at least until the Falcon incident, was sad to see them leave the coalition.

Of course you won't debate with me, you resorted to contrived insults and throw away lines, its what people do when they realise they have been owned, the point I made is totally valid and you don't have a counter to it apart from another silly line, the mark of success is making hisec CODE compliant and have all of the little loves buy a permit, success is measurable on that metric, and it is not pretty for CODE.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-09-14 19:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Dracvlad wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Of course BL as a group have done more in Eve than I have, what a ridiculous barb, and PL have done more than you, see I can do it too.

Your own mind is making that comparison which is rather a silly one, for example the collapse of the Byzantium Empire all links back to one battle, the battle of Manzikert, the chaos that occurred afterwards resulted in the loss of Anatolia to the Turks and that was a disaster because it was the heart of the Empire.

In terms of CODE its a campaign to make all of hisec CODE compliant there is no one single battle just lots of small engagements that stop a fraction of the traffic and as a result they are failing at making hisec CODE compliant, what don't you understand about that, personally I think that a police force that only can deal with 1% to 2% of law breakers is not an effective police force, over to your next pants on head...


Dude you were the one who attempted a silly jape at BL falling apart, I said nothing about PL. The point is you clowning on a corp you couldn't hold a candle to. I never said anything about anyone but YOU.

I'm not gonna debate it with you man. Say what you will about CODE "losing", they are laughing at you every time they bring down one of those highsec supers. I don't see them getting taken around the block losing multi billion ISK ships.

But no. They lose. Because they can't kill every single freighter in the game. At the same time. Always.


I was wondering if you brought a Blockade Runner that was all, a bit sensitive aren't you, actually I have been in Elo Knight fleets a few times, very very good FC. Are you talking about the corp you are in now, well I would say quite easily that my corp has been far more successful recently than your corp. I am in fact sad to see BL die, I have fond memories of them when I was on their side in the Tribute war, at least until the Falcon incident, was sad to see them leave the coalition.

Of course you won't debate with me, you resorted to contrived insults and throw away lines, its what people do when they realise they have been owned, the point I made is totally valid and you don't have a counter to it apart from another silly line, the mark of success is making hisec CODE compliant and have all of the little loves buy a permit, success is measurable on that metric, and it is not pretty for CODE.


Meh. My current corp is a "holder corp" me and a few buddies use between real ones. And no I won't debate it because you types never see the other side, making crazy claims to win because CODE can't kill every single freighter. Come on man. That's just daft and you know it.

So yeah, you win. CODE loses EVE because they can't gank every freighter every time. Roll

Edit: Ipsimus was a better FC than Elo, IMHO.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#35 - 2015-09-14 19:24:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Leto Thule wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

Of course BL as a group have done more in Eve than I have, what a ridiculous barb, and PL have done more than you, see I can do it too.

Your own mind is making that comparison which is rather a silly one, for example the collapse of the Byzantium Empire all links back to one battle, the battle of Manzikert, the chaos that occurred afterwards resulted in the loss of Anatolia to the Turks and that was a disaster because it was the heart of the Empire.

In terms of CODE its a campaign to make all of hisec CODE compliant there is no one single battle just lots of small engagements that stop a fraction of the traffic and as a result they are failing at making hisec CODE compliant, what don't you understand about that, personally I think that a police force that only can deal with 1% to 2% of law breakers is not an effective police force, over to your next pants on head...


Dude you were the one who attempted a silly jape at BL falling apart, I said nothing about PL. The point is you clowning on a corp you couldn't hold a candle to. I never said anything about anyone but YOU.

I'm not gonna debate it with you man. Say what you will about CODE "losing", they are laughing at you every time they bring down one of those highsec supers. I don't see them getting taken around the block losing multi billion ISK ships.

But no. They lose. Because they can't kill every single freighter in the game. At the same time. Always.


I was wondering if you brought a Blockade Runner that was all, a bit sensitive aren't you, actually I have been in Elo Knight fleets a few times, very very good FC. Are you talking about the corp you are in now, well I would say quite easily that my corp has been far more successful recently than your corp. I am in fact sad to see BL die, I have fond memories of them when I was on their side in the Tribute war, at least until the Falcon incident, was sad to see them leave the coalition.

Of course you won't debate with me, you resorted to contrived insults and throw away lines, its what people do when they realise they have been owned, the point I made is totally valid and you don't have a counter to it apart from another silly line, the mark of success is making hisec CODE compliant and have all of the little loves buy a permit, success is measurable on that metric, and it is not pretty for CODE.


Meh. My current corp is a "holder corp" me and a few buddies use between real ones. And no I won't debate it because you types never see the other side, making crazy claims to win because CODE can't kill every single freighter. Come on man. That's just daft and you know it.

So yeah, you win. CODE loses EVE because they can't gank every freighter every time. Roll


That's your metric, my one is that they have minimal impact due to the sheer number of people moving through and those freighters are still rolling, for every one they kill at any one point in time another ten get through, must be so dis-heartening that.

Another metric is the simple fact that the vast majority of people in hisec do not buy CODE permits.

As for your holder corp, fair point was a bit confused when you used corp when you should have said alliance, not sure what you were trying to say to be honest, airports drive me nuts too, so understand the crankiness, good luck on the flight.

Edit: Ipsimus was a better FC than Elo, IMHO. - I don't know him but as you know your stuff I will take your word on it, I really enjoyed Dark Razors fleets during the Tribute war, though SuperTwinky made my eyes water, that was really good fun at times.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#36 - 2015-09-14 19:31:42 UTC
One individual claims code fails because they can't/won't do what they claim to do .
Code claims absolute victory of every situation they are involved in no matter what the outcome.
Sounds like there's enough crazy to go around for everyone.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#37 - 2015-09-15 07:02:59 UTC
There will always be a Veers..

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#38 - 2015-09-16 06:55:18 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
There will always be a Veers..


You seem to have something for Veers, you see Veers when ever anyone points out that you are failing, you obviously miss him deeply. From what I also understand you lot were not even able to impact him one little bit, which is why you have this fixation.

The simple issue is that the people who are left in game doing hisec industry do not care about CODE and its efforts, they have very deep pockets and will continue regardless of your efforts.

One of the reasons I stopped doing stuff against CODE was because I came across a number of them that just laughed at the freighter loss and continued, I realised that my time was better spent elsewhere, with that attitude by the indy players that matter, my access to the stuff I needed from the main market hubs did not need any help from me to maintain, I could go do more interesting things.

I also noted that people like War Akini walked away.

So in a nutshell threads like this are an admission of irrelevance and a plaintive wail for attention.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Black Pedro
Mine.
#39 - 2015-09-16 07:27:25 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
So in a nutshell threads like this are an admission of irrelevance and a plaintive wail for attention.

Or are a celebration of the accomplishments and shared common goals of a space community. Why is it wrong for a group of players to mark the founding of their organization and take a moment to look back at their successes? Why do you begrudge them that?

As to relevance vs. irrelevance, that will always be subjective and in eye the beholder. But what isn't subjective is that the CODE. alliance keeps gaining in members and the amount of damage wrought on highsec has reached the point where trillions of ISK/month are destroyed, comparable to largest organizations in the game. If you are so sure that they are irrelevant, why are you still here still trying to belittle them? If they aren't affecting anything, wouldn't your energies be better spent on whatever else you do in-game?

You really have to pick one: either CODE. is affecting the game and you want to stop them, or they are irrelevant and not worth anyone's times. Better make up your mind.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#40 - 2015-09-16 08:05:24 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
So in a nutshell threads like this are an admission of irrelevance and a plaintive wail for attention.

Or are a celebration of the accomplishments and shared common goals of a space community. Why is it wrong for a group of players to mark the founding of their organization and take a moment to look back at their successes? Why do you begrudge them that?

As to relevance vs. irrelevance, that will always be subjective and in eye the beholder. But what isn't subjective is that the CODE. alliance keeps gaining in members and the amount of damage wrought on highsec has reached the point where trillions of ISK/month are destroyed, comparable to largest organizations in the game. If you are so sure that they are irrelevant, why are you still here still trying to belittle them? If they aren't affecting anything, wouldn't your energies be better spent on whatever else you do in-game?

You really have to pick one: either CODE. is affecting the game and you want to stop them, or they are irrelevant and not worth anyone's times. Better make up your mind.


I was hoping someone would ask why I was still posting when I thought they were irrelevant, I do that because they continue to blow their own trumpet at every opportunity, so every so often I just point out the reality when they start telling people how important they are and how massive their impact is.

You have your perspective and I have mine, you are not wrong in that they have blown up a lot of stuff and are very efficient in what they do I acknowledge that fact, I have total respect for their organisation and dedication, but in terms of the metrics, measurement of success or failure, they have not dented the will of indy players in hisec and nor have they got more than a small percentage of permit holders in hisec.

So my point is that initially my assessment was that the attacks on freighters was a threat, but when I looked into it deeper and talked to the freighter pilots and the indy players, they were indifferent and shrugged it off, so I decided my time was better spent elsewhere and am just communicating that fact to Eve.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp