Missions & Complexes

I do not really see those "hundredths millions ISK per hour" earned by running L4 missions. For instance today I did Angel Extravaganza mission: bounties - 19 mil, loot & salvage - 9 mil, reward - 2 mil. Taken together I earned 30 mil ISK spending 50 minutes for fighting and additional 30 minutes for salvaging in Noctis. That is 80 minutes or 1.33 hour in total which means my income was about 22.5 mil ISK per hour...

first mistake: accepting angels extra
second mistake: going back to loot/salvage (9mil in loot & salvage over 30 mins is 18m/hour, well below your overall rate)
third mistake: not counting LP worst case you should get 1k isk/lp, best case is around 2k isk/lp although that is getting hard to hit.

Given I don't know what your fit was like or what your skills are like hard to say more, but As SP goes up and familiarity with the missions increases it is possible to make more isk faster.

19mil bounty, 2mil reward, and 15.3mil from LP (~8,500 lp @ 1.8k isk/lp). Well it might be worth it to run if it took <10 mins at top blitz rates. 20-30 mins would probably be acceptable at non optimal rates. I'm pretty sure it takes me 20-30 mins with a max dps mach fit. I haven't run it in a while, and don't intend to run it for a while. If I do run it in the near future it is going to be in a rattlesnake with fof missiles and probably an mjd with bouncers (although might be better to brawl with a gecko or berserkers)

Yea the 'good' missions should give you around 3-5mill per minute, travel time included, when you are blitzing properly. When I time myself I generally note down my starting isk, LP and time and then run missions non stop for 2h-3h. This way any costs like repairs for OH guns from burners get taken into account as well as full honest travel time. I generally average between 160m/h-170m/h but I am still rather lacking on the burner side of things. I feel this is the most accurate way of measuring this.

Indeed. I recently sourced 50k of each of the ammos I generally use (had some LP lying around) and I figure that's part of the initial capital layout. Initially when I was grinding up the standings and had to complete missions like vengeance at +-2 reloads or Blockade or angel extrav I was going through faction ammo at a horrendous rate. I'd recommend for the standings grinding part using standard and T2 ammo only. Once you start blitzing though you tend to use a LOT less ammo. I'd even say that you're estimate is a bit generous but I have no numbers to back it up However the missions that do use the most ammo tend to use T2 ammo that is almost as cheap as T1 (pirate invasion and Gone Berserk come to mind, hail and barrage respectively).

I'd definitely say that it's worth shelling out for faction ammo once you get your faction standing high enough to start blitzing proper. Myself I've completely done away with the cap booster. Some missions in my mission pool (might be different for different agents) can get a bit exciting but I've never been in any danger. Wouldn't recommend a new player try running the missions without one though. All it takes is one scramming frig or one elite neut cruiser

That is the idea yes. That is why its important to pick the right LP store. Thucker tribe for example has a few good LP items I know. It requires some market research and such but is way worth it. Check eve-survival for how to blitz missions and check these forums for a thread on blitzing, has a lot of good info in it.

Pro-tip: Navy LP stores are the worst LP stores you can work for because thye share most(all?) items with FW so the items there, like faction ships, are absolutely garbage for isk/lp conversion. I have like 300k LP for Brutor that I can do jack with except keep me in faction ammo for the rest my eve career.

SOE's pretty decent yea, though it's crashing atm. Thucker has lv4 mission hubs in HS and people say a lot of other factions and/or corps have 2k+/LP items.

So basically " those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" means you you cherry pick your missions, which is doable for a few days in a location, where you have multiply agents. So you just keep blitzing "Dread Pirate Scarlet" every 15 minutes. In reality your standing will drop so fast, that after you blitz it 4 times you have to stop refusing normal missions and do normal 30-60 milions per hour. But you first special hour, during which your standing to the agent droped from +9.9 to -1, is the reason, why you can boast about "hundredths millions ISK per hour". I saw ppl, who actually even not did it for the whole hour. Just run some missions for a half an hour and then multiply their income *2 so they say "oh we are good". They win Eve? Yes, defenetly. Should you follow their lies? Hardly.
Other hidden pillar of many "hundredths millions ISK per hour" b***t is that they are done in pairs. You and your alt. You have to be able to finanse both accounts and those "hundredths" frankly speaking should be halved.

TL;DR Mission running can be fun if made in different ships (brawler and snipe fit gives you different experience) and without skipping 3 of 4 missions cause you can not blitz them. You will get nice views, find some random treasures in your MTU, make some ISK in between. Or you can make it your job, hunting those "hundredths millions ISK per hour"" in a stupid way of refusing most of missions, making the whole thing repetitive as ****. So you will quit sooner or later.

If you need ISK - sell PLEX. Do not make your game a job. Missions are not for hectic ISK grinding, they are for relaxed shooting red icons and indulge the sight of Cathedrals, ammar bunkers, drone constructions and so on.

You are so very, very wrong.

I can, indefinately cherry pick missions and sustain 150-170m/h for as long as I can stay awake without logging a single alt. This is not boasting and my isk/h tests I always run 2h to 3h continuous without having to do upkeep missions. For the low, low price of 500mill I will teach anyone how to.

Or you know, you can pull your fingers out of your ears and look for the thread(s) on the forum explaining how.

ps. 6-7h to plex an account. And I kinda enjoy pushing my ship and skills to the limit to see how high I can get it to go.

Yeah, and a valuable tool. Because if you change the market values to today's rates, and figure the warp changes and processing changes.

The Vargur goes from 88mil @1000/lp to under 70mil.

So there was nothing wrong with erg cz's statement. Cherry picking is the only way to produce the insane and unsustainable numbers. And with the dropping of LP ratios good luck making more than 100mil/hr for more than a day.

I wouldn't count on it