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EWAR might need to be nerfed a tad
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Arsikere
Loner Nomads
#1 - 2015-09-14 14:34:14 UTC
Just sayin.

Was in a fight in my coercer with a thrasher. I had a tracking rig, a 5%tracking implant, was running a Standard Drop Booster, plus the tracking bonus on the Coercer hull, and max gun skills. Thrasher warps in, hits me with 1 tracking disruptor, and 0 volleys hit after that.

A few days later I get perma-jammed in my comet by a toon LESS THAN 24 HOURS OLD in a Griffin.

Once got damped by a maulus. My range went down to 5000M locking range and I was in a cruiser.

EWAR might be a bit OP.

It should probably be toned down a bit, ya know?
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#2 - 2015-09-14 14:51:01 UTC
Concidering how few EWAR ships you can see in space... hardly.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#3 - 2015-09-14 15:33:40 UTC
No.
Bobb Bobbington
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2015-09-14 18:47:21 UTC
If it's OP, go use it yourself. See how it goes. Experiment. Then come back saying it's OP with a valid argument instead of whining about a few losses.

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Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#5 - 2015-09-14 20:49:23 UTC
For the TD, he likely cut your optimal and not your tracking. Since lasers tend to really suck outside of their optimal that would explain why you couldn't hit.

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Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#6 - 2015-09-14 22:04:27 UTC
I have found unbonused Ewar to be rather meh.

Range control has much higher impact on tracking than one unbonused disruptor. Why would someone even waste a mid on a thrasher for that is beyond me. I would probably kite him at long point range with scorch as I think the Coercer is pretty bad in scram range with only two mids since no webs are just too big a disadvantage.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-15 00:07:36 UTC
X is OP because I died to them PLZ NERF.

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Bobb Bobbington
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#8 - 2015-09-15 00:18:14 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
X is OP because I died to them PLZ NERF.


Hey, don't joke around about X. It's one mean letter.

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-09-15 04:15:29 UTC
Most ewar is fine. Effectiveness of TD's on non-bonused hulls might need to be looked at, with max skills it's kinda stupid considering how many hulls can fit a TD as an afterthought (Firetail, condor, hookbill etc.)

ECM is trash and should be removed or changed so it actually adds something constructive to the game.
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-17 11:16:17 UTC
I agree to say ECM is a bit ******** and should be revamped.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#11 - 2015-09-17 13:58:34 UTC
ECM does not need to be fixed. ECM is chanced based. Even with my near perfect ECM skills, I find myself sometimes not even able to get off a jam on a lonely Incursus.

And there are counters to ECM. ECCM mods, drones, FoF missiles, and even implants to increase your sig strength.

So maybe before you go and cry that something is too stronk, go and fly some ECM boats and see how well they work for you.
Voi Lutois
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-09-17 15:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Voi Lutois
https://gyazo.com/c667b710088983109fdff0a4c0f3dd0c

This blackbird landed 4 consistent jam cycles from 125-160km away. I was only able to fight back after keeping the blackbird outside of its 170km lock range, that just seems a little fucky to me. It would be nice to see some kind of change to Caldari EWAR to make it a little more interesting or something because right now it is boring af. A little less range seems like it would be an okay start but idk, I am biased Blink
Triakis Cadelanne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-09-17 16:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Triakis Cadelanne
Estella Osoka wrote:
ECM does not need to be fixed. ECM is chanced based. Even with my near perfect ECM skills, I find myself sometimes not even able to get off a jam on a lonely Incursus.

And there are counters to ECM. ECCM mods, drones, FoF missiles, and even implants to increase your sig strength.

So maybe before you go and cry that something is too stronk, go and fly some ECM boats and see how well they work for you.


When did the definition of "revamp" became the same than "nerf" ? I'd not nerf ECM, and I don't think the guy who said it was trash would do it.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#14 - 2015-09-17 20:14:21 UTC
I'd get rid of racial ECM personally. Nobody else gets EW that is better vs specific race ships.

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Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-09-17 22:18:15 UTC
“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104


lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#16 - 2015-09-18 02:20:24 UTC
As a person with max ewar, I can honestly tell you that ECM is hit and miss. I've perma-jammed stuff with a widow, rook, falcon, kitsune, griffin, blackbirds and scorpions. I've also missed every cycle of jammers on a single ship for a couple cycles with the same ships.

ECM is RNG no matter the ship its on.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#17 - 2015-09-18 02:36:31 UTC
Voi Lutois wrote:
https://gyazo.com/c667b710088983109fdff0a4c0f3dd0c

This blackbird landed 4 consistent jam cycles from 125-160km away. I was only able to fight back after keeping the blackbird outside of its 170km lock range, that just seems a little fucky to me. It would be nice to see some kind of change to Caldari EWAR to make it a little more interesting or something because right now it is boring af. A little less range seems like it would be an okay start but idk, I am biased Blink


I saw that, that was pretty ridiculous.

Also, range has already been nerfed, Falcons used to be able to jam at a 100km optimal IIRC.
Damnskippy
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-09-18 05:05:10 UTC
Silverbackyererse wrote:
“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104




ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-09-18 06:04:43 UTC
Damnskippy wrote:
Silverbackyererse wrote:
“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104




ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp.


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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-09-18 06:36:18 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Damnskippy wrote:
Silverbackyererse wrote:
“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104




ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp.


In Falcon we thrust. Prevents unwanted lossmails.Lol


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