Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's still be more boring than mining. Hell, PI would be more engaging.

Not to mention it would not drive up costs they ate already about as high as they are going to get before ppl just move their own crap

question, what is the justification of freighters not being to use any form of self defense?

combat ships can mine, miners can fight. the argument of using bumping to keep capitals from escaping in null has been used, but overlooking the obvious CAPITALS HAVE TEETH!!!! they also have local repping ability.

freighters and jump freighters have no teeth, so, bumping is akin to the local practice of warp scramming a pod in a belt and holding them there in perpetuity ( and that's declared as abuse). also, the practice of a ganker dumping a bunch of gank ships and hopping into a new ship after every concord destruction for a few more rounds of damage(perfectly legal tactic).

i am all for ganking dumb freighter and jump freighter pilots, but make it a challenge, and don't. make it so its "woo hoo we got him bumped, now its inevitable" not sure how the OP's recommended solution won't do anything but delay the inevitable, but its a possible solution but not sure the game mechanics support it.

Another option that the mechanics are already in game is to add a capital hull repper to the game, and give freighters and jump freighters a fitting bonus for them, then bumping will be reduced to an annoyance, you can keep on bumping, but unless you make concerted effort, its just that, an annoyance. an alpha attack will still pop a freighter, but slow attrition will just be laughed off with insults and unmanly gestures. i can understand not allowing guns as that would open a whole shitstorm of abuse potential.

Capitals only really have teeth against other capitals.

The rationale is that the weapon systems of larger ships are primarily effective only against other large ships. Many a super has been bump tackled by smaller ships, unable to do anything as their weapon systems are unable to track, other than to await the arrival of the fleet that will put it out of its misery. This design decision is what makes it necessary to escort capital ships with support fleets and prevents them from becoming "pwn-mobiles" immune to every other ship below its class.

Since fitting capital weapons on a freighter would be silly and OP, they get nothing. I guess you could allow them to fit small turrets or smartbombs or something, but it wouldn't really do much. Really, the justification is that haulers, especially those that carry the largest amounts are suppose to be vulnerable and require a fleet or even convoy to protect them. It maintains logistics and the movement of goods as something with cost and risk in the game.

It's simple trade-off: if you want the convenience or have the need to move a huge amount of material, you need to escort and protect your freighters. Otherwise, use one of the smaller, much more versatile (and immune to bumping) haulers, or even move your stuff in an actual ship with teeth, like say a battleship. This is Eve - you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

And still you can only actually tank half of them to support logi. All aboard the failboat.

Caldari in the worst possible situation, who would of though...

Point of order: Mechanics do not stop the attack. Mechanics stop the attack being "free".