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Interface lag -- killing my EVE experience

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-09-10 06:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Everything I do in EVE is accompanied by a small amount of lag. Even mundane button clicks take a brief moment to respond or show response, and that delay freezes everything I'm doing. These fraction-of-a-second delays may seem insignificant, but they add up when I'm trying to make a lot of clicks and do a lot of things. Say, for instance, I am trying to lock several targets on my overview rapidly, I hold down ctrl and start clicking targets. But every time I click one, there is a brief delay before I can begin moving my mouse cursor to the next target. And so an action which I should be able to perform in a second or two takes several times as long, and greatly diminishes my response time in situations where it is important.

The market has the worst interface lag of all, but I get it everywhere, in every part of the game. It started when I installed the Incarna update--before that the game ran very smoothly just like other games. I had just changed my computer at the same time I installed the update so I assumed the problem was on my end, but I have since then gone through multiple different computers with the same issue in all of them. They have all been more than capable of running games a lot more resource intensive than EVE, and even if they weren't, low performance doesn't explain interface lag. There is no reason for the game client to stop responding during the time it waits for a response from the server, it should continue to operate as normal, and update when the response is received. This is how every other online game works, and it is how EVE used to work.

I have difficulty believing I am the only one experiencing this when I've had it happen on 4+ computers with different setups. Something needs to be done about this. I often log onto EVE for a while with dreams of playing and having fun, only to remember again why I don't enjoy playing EVE. This interface lag is the number one thing pushing me away from EVE.



edit: there is one other game in which I have experienced a similar issue: Minecraft. There is an issue that apparently a lot of people are experiencing in Minecraft that they are calling "lag spikes". Certain driver settings or lacking a system that is far above the necessary requirements to play the game can lead to lag spikes, and they will happen as the very moment you make a movement, turn the screen, or perform a mouse click/button press, sometimes overriding the operation and forcing you to wait for the duration of the lag spike to try again. These lag spikes seem to be slightly similar to what's happening in EVE.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

killer persian
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#2 - 2015-09-10 06:24:38 UTC
Oh god, I hate it so much. Even just clicking a new section in the market.
Cirdin Morningstar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-09-10 18:12:29 UTC
Having these issues as well after coming back to the game after a 6 month break, Not a good start CCP. There's no way its on my end, with a GTX 980, and a 100m/bs connection! Get your crap together please!
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-09-10 20:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Cirdin Morningstar wrote:
Having these issues as well after coming back to the game after a 6 month break, Not a good start CCP. There's no way its on my end, with a GTX 980, and a 100m/bs connection! Get your crap together please!


Me and my GTX 970 would worship you but every time I try to worship, I get a lag spike and the interface freezes up.







Any performance-related lag spikes are probably due more to your RAM size and the way your paging files are allocated and used, as well as potentially being caused by memory leaks, but are not likely to have much to do with the power of your video card. Video memory might be a factor but nothing else on the card will have anything to do with it.

But I suspect this interface lag is due to the client waiting on server response, and has nothing to do with rig performance. Alternatively, it could be due to an esoteric scripting usage requiring me to update one of the many outdated frameworks I have that no other games need or even use.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2015-09-11 01:14:42 UTC
In some cases it might be helpful to clear the client cache, when having frequent lag spikes. Too much cached data can reduce client performance in same cases (mostly on slow disks) - yeah, this is exactly NOT what caching should do. In some (rarer) cases this can also be caused by large setting files (but this would cause a reset of most settings).
There is also the possibility, that your client is just waiting for responses from the server - but this will normally not result in short freezes, but only in delayed responses.

If this does not help, then it would be interesting to send a bug report from the client (F12) after several heavier lag spikes happened. Please include my name on the bug report, there is some chance that I find some traces in the client logs on what might be causing it.

CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five 0 | (Team Gridlock)

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#6 - 2015-09-11 13:43:52 UTC
I wondered if this was happening to me and I had just become so use to it, I did not realize it. So I went out and tested. I do not get any sort of micro-freezes from routine button pushes. I can click to lock targets as fast as I can move the mouse. I can turn on modules as fast as I can move the mouse. Sure, there can be some delay in the server responding, but its not stopping me from making another click.

Note: I do get a big spike the first time I use the market in any given session. Like a 20 second freeze. That started a couple of weeks ago. But, its just the first time I use the market. After that, it's fine.

I DO NOT have a great internet connection. I'm on Wi Fi from a laptop (MacBook Pro), to Time Warner cable, and I am on the US west coast, which is a goodly distance from the servers.

So it has to be something on your computer. The cache and the memory have been suggested. Another possibility is some piece of utility software you have loaded. Eve can be very sensitive to what else is running on your computer. Try turning stuff off.

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killer persian
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#7 - 2015-09-11 21:44:53 UTC
@CCP habakuk
I get them on a fresh install.
Page file is sufficient.
And excess RAM.
GM Mechanic
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2015-09-14 10:30:16 UTC
killer persian wrote:
@CCP habakuk
I get them on a fresh install.
Page file is sufficient.
And excess RAM.


Each time the client is run it creates log files in your documents folder. Over time this accumulates a lot of logs which can cause the client to lag. Try opening your documents folder, then EVE, then logs, then either delete the logs or move them to a backup folder. Once you have done that try running the game again and see if the issue persists.

With regards,

GM Mechanic,

CCP Customer Service | EVE Online | EVE Valkyrie

mr dumpface
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-09-14 12:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: mr dumpface
same here, opening some windows takes 2-3 seconds sometimes

EDIT, also please fix the large collidable object brackets not toggling off with shift+alt+x
Indigo Love-Jones
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-09-14 13:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Indigo Love-Jones
I have the same problems too. I have had this issue for some times now. For me it's the Industry window, it would freeze the client for more than five seconds. I initially put it down to me have to many blueprints in one station but I have recently created a few more alts and it happens on them too.

Creating a contract is nearly impossible in space, so I only do that when I am docked. My entire client is locked up for a good 5-10 sec when creating a contract.

The Market isn't too bad for me as the window displays but after 5 seconds the data appears, but the Industry is the worse for me and that is what I use everyday/hour.

This never used to happen but the recent updates have totally slowed down the game for me. I can notice each lag more when I am mining. When I target a rock, once lock you see your target and the round circle round it spinning, If you click on any icon or open any window, you can see the circle target slow down to a stop and once the action is ready/complete you see the circle spin real fast to catch up to date.

This is not acceptable at all exceptionally in null sec as your reaction speed determines whether an interceptor catches you or not. If every action you make is laggy, how on earth am I to get safe, if I have less than 30 second to get my arse out of that Ore site. When it takes 3 second for right click to bring up the menu and more lag when selecting where to warp too. If you're too slow to react in time, your caught and in the mercy of your enemy.

Now take this to a small fight or even a massive, it diminishes your experience and makes the game unplayable on to of that imagine if you add tidi to that.

I cannot risk opening up the industry, market, wallet and creating contract in space the lag is too dangerous, I only do these action when I am docked as this is the only place I feel safe doing it. So I am having to docked or go to the POS in order to do any of these actions.

Please CCP make this an URGENT investigation because it never used to be like this.

Regards, Indigo Love-Jones

Lightbubble
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-15 08:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lightbubble
I have the same issues/symptomes as Indigo and other players described in this topic, too.
Heavy Lagspikes with complete Interface-freezing during setup Courier or Item Exchange Contracts.

This evening when iam at home, i will follow Habakuks advices clearing cache etc.
If it dosnt change ill submit a bug report too, reffering to this topic and Habakuk.

EDIT: Submitted a Bug report after clearing cache etc. Client/Interface Freezing is still there. EBR-48377
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#12 - 2015-09-15 21:20:22 UTC
The UI remains with lag spikes all over the place even after I clear cache on the logout page each and every logout today. This problem didn't get to this level of obvious until today's patch, though it has been coming and going since around the time DoD came available. Whatever was done in today's patch outside more shiny SKINs to throw money at, it's causing several UI issues ingame that is impacting playability along with just being very irritating. I should not have to count to 10 waiting for Regional Market to load, while the game for all intents and purposes, is temporarily frozen.

And no, it is not my internet connection. 5m up, 45m down, ping under 19 at all times. Stability tests also right in the green all cycles. The 'other' MMO I occasionally waste time on is Not acting up.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Fasire
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-10-02 05:47:38 UTC
Any new info about this? The 0.5-1 second delay is bearable but it's still pretty annoying. Especially when you got a few accounts up and you're doing some station work that includes opening up a lot of menus. For me, opening the Regional Market, fitting window, or the Industry window causes about a second delay. All the other menus are less than a second delay.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#14 - 2015-10-08 02:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeven HouseBenyo
Fasire wrote:
Any new info about this? The 0.5-1 second delay is bearable but it's still pretty annoying. Especially when you got a few accounts up and you're doing some station work that includes opening up a lot of menus. For me, opening the Regional Market, fitting window, or the Industry window causes about a second delay. All the other menus are less than a second delay.


Those would be my usual suspects for this lag spike delay. Industry window, Regional Market (each and every time I open it, not just the first during a session), Fitting window, and Contracts. The first undock in a session is also a bit of a nerve wracker, black screen for a several second count. At other times I'm now getting a heavy delay on jumping when I arrive at a gate, along with loot telling me to wait a moment as it's in transfer. Delays/lag spikes are growing in number and what sets them off.

I clear cache now each and every logout, and have moved the client logfiles over to a different folder outside the CCP folder as suggested in an earlier post on this thread. The Internet connection is still in my usual solid numbers, and I clear that modem's virtual memory on a weekly basis to maintain speeds. After a long phone conversation with my ISP their results are the same as mine.

This is NOT on my end, and is NOT on theirs. That leaves a node somewhere along the way, and TQ itself.

If this is truly not a CCP caused problem, please gimme the name of the company with the bad node so I can call and scold them. Then I'll back off on this specific bug and aim my irritation at the legit source of headache.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-10-08 10:26:45 UTC
Tested several things, even get a clean install of EVE in a clean machine. It is still the same lag in opening Info windows, Market Windows and Fit Windows. More or less, other operations really you can feel a lag but it is not big. Info, market and Fitting windows are really taking time to open, and you should even avoid opening them while something is being done, because they lag whatever else you might be doing on opening them.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?

Kal'Han
Kador Trade Company
#16 - 2015-10-09 20:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal'Han
I have noticed the same problem with some parts of the UI, mainly around the market

each time something is populating the tree on the left side (opening, search, browsing) there is some freeze in the game for a fraction of seconds

It's probably due to something writing market data on the hdd for evemon and the other market dumper, but maybe not


I think the only place I saw these lags was in the corp/war history, where listing huge amount of data is too much


I'd guess a process doing stuff in the list is not friendly with the others and prevent refreshing, but on an i7, 8GB, and SSD, I never had more than really short freezes under a second, or a fraction of a second. annoying : yes, game breaking not for me
(I guess having that config and accepting a freeze is not ok in fact! damn)

not game breaking = when I'm in space and do stuff it doesn't happen. annoying because it's in market and corp, which is management and I don't do that while flying for my life ;)


cache empty, folder cleansed, any thing explained by ccp above is doing something on the symptoms for me.



Edit - after a few hours
now that this was reported I tried to take notice of when and where this was happening.
While the market is the biggest lag/freeze generator, there are lots of times this is happning, always at opening or closing UI windows. it is really small but once it has happened, it doesn't do it again if you try to open the same thing, compare the same object, show info, etc... like a cache being filled, then it doesn't freezes until another a few minutes later.

I don't think I ever see a big one more than a few fraction of a second, but now I keep noticing it
Zylnarius
Caldari Black Guard
#17 - 2015-10-09 21:01:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zylnarius
I was wondering if it was coming from me, but after mutliple check of my ssd, oc my computer etc, checked all my drivers (with visual C++, dx etc)

My config : 3570K with a Z77 mb, 660Ti

I need to clear the cache and make a clean instal but I want to share my experience now that I see Im not alone...
edit : cash cleared, still lag, but yeah, its maybe my hardware, i've sometimes some lag in windows, but others games run fine...
Last time I've played, in fleet, big fight, lot of wrecks and drones on the field, with memory setting, even with no brackets my fps dropped to 5*, it was literraly unplayable, I've also noticied some lag in market browser and when I get out of station, my screen stay black sometimes for 10 sec, specially in Jita...
*Btw, the fps drop were worst when I put graphicals settings in memory, in quality setting, it was a little bit better in drop, but still, very low fps...

Sry for my english, ill update if I make progress...

PS : My game run smoothly at 120 fps most of the times, but sometime, very bad fps drop

psĀ²: Im on an old WIN 7 64Bit instal, maybe need a format round or upgrade to win 10? :p
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#18 - 2015-10-11 05:32:01 UTC
Now on a completely formatted and clean reinstall of Everything...

Still the UI freeze/lag spikes in the usual places. Regional Market, Fitting, Industry, At a Gate just before jumping to the next system, Contracts, Corporation Window, loot telling me it's in transit, and first undock in a session. Since there's no giant pile of logs to be a source on my computer rig, CCP might want to take a close look at this lag/freeze issue.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Miles Hadah
Tillistrian Enterprises
#19 - 2015-10-12 14:14:55 UTC
Same issue since I play in my laptop. Didn't happen in my desk computer.
Achanjati
Royal Amarr Science Institute
Royal Amarr Space Industries
#20 - 2015-10-14 08:55:06 UTC
Next one here. iMac
Month ago only the standings tab was lagging as hell.

Since updates over this year other parts of the UI are going slower and slower. Market, Research, opening my skill queue, opening the info of an item, undocking!
Transfering a bigger bunch of items ( > 50 ) from my ship cargo to a station hangar ...

When I think I could be attacked after undocking, I restart to my Win10 partition. No lagging there. But that's not a real solution.

Chache clearing, plain new installation, reducing the graphic effects... all with zero effect.

Just logging in to enjoy a play session is currently not possible.
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