EVE General Discussion

Miners
Hello EVE,
Ever since I started playing EVE, there has been many ups and downs. Some would say more downs then ups but then I am a miner/ marketer by career. The numerous amounts of ships were a good idea and the overhaul on ideally superior ships to those in there similar class was another good idea but to other ships it was an outrage. An example is the Typhoon it was and still is one of the most extensively skilled ships in its category. My question is why? Why train all those skills needed to fly it properly to suddenly see the skills wasted for that ship. Another example removing cloak able warp drives on Covert ships like the Widow or the Panther (covert ships that in my opinion already under gunned). The turning of the Typhoon into missile ship was disheartening. Why one may say! Because the pilot who flew that ship (Typhoon) at that time would have just skilled for projectiles weapons! The upgrade now made that ship worthless and forced the pilot to learn missiles skills. I know this probably helped CCP in the extra pocket money but for the player that meant at least 2 more months (of real life) in training on a ship that already took months and months to fly.
Now on to the tears a pirate would call it. It’s what I call the miners *****. There is several to put it lightly, so I’ll begin with the most obvious. The miners’ ships! CCP upgrades have been nothing more than BS in my opinion. Allowing the mining ship to mine farther away using a leadership link was cool but then making the Asteroid belt farther apart defeated the purpose of the upgrade and to say CCP did it so the miner has a better chance of escape is BS as well MWD undoes that small distance of false security.
Anyway on with the tears! If by chance a veteran player has a Hulk mining ship with T2 shields, skills trained in shields and armor to a mastery V and another pilot in an Orca using a mind link to aid in areas mentioned. A 30 days disposable character can still destroy a T2 Hulk (1 billion ISK ship WTF). And before anyone starts their BS read on. The miner in EVE is the building block for the making of weapons, missiles and ammo the producer of all ships and structures in EVE and isn’t able or capable of making a better mining ship to with stand even a newbie. We get that we’re the gazelle or deer for the hunter in the game. But are hands are so tide and the belts provide such low profit that the replacement often leads to the end of that player career. The miner only can do so much with an exhumer. The Pirate can upgrade to a better ship, use better guns or get another disposable character to get the job done in killing a miner. The miner has no such options.
Buying better shields for an exhumer is just a waste of ISK’s more money for the producers; it does nothing for exhumers pilots. The private can purchase cloak warp able ships to surprise their intended victim. The miner can only point and hope. The miner has a frigate (a very small ship) that can cloak and warp so the technology is there but cannot exploit it for a bigger and faster mining ship to explore Null or Low Sec. systems. The frigates ore/ cargo hold is to small not enough room for even drones meaning cloak and wait or cloak and go. Without a cloak and warp able mining exhumer (medium size vessel) profits from mining in dangerous systems is a joke.
Here’s an idea for a mining ship one we already have. Allow the Orca to be modified as a new version so it can be the miner crown jewel at mining in Null-Low sec system covertly. Get the scientists busy adding 2 high slots for a Warp able cloak and a probe launcher with enough power and CPU to install the extended probe launcher so a miner can scan down those lost drones left behind to replenish his drone count lost in space against the ravaging space Rats. Add 1 medium slot so a miner can add the extra drone module to be use in its defense or for mining those Null-Low sec. ores. Drones are that ship only defense against those dangerous systems.
Now to take advantage of the only Capital mining ship so big that it has to stay in Null-Low sec the Mighty Rorqual. Granted it’s allowed inside a POS shield to operate and thank you for not nerfing that by the way, but how many miners out there want to train to use it just to find out they can’t because the ships needed to mine say ICE in Null-Low need a support team to fend off the Rats alone not to mention pirates and hostile Alliances just looking for POS to pop. Making it economically a bad investment for a miner to own/use! Yes the Rorqual has Jump Drive (thank the Empress) but it needs to be able to do more for the miner than make clones, which really should be able to make drones or mining gear like mining lasers or mining crystals instead. Yes that would mean keepings blue prints on board and separate cargo areas like one for fuel (has it), ore (has it), storage (has it), and mineral and Ice compression storage (needs it) holds. The ship is huge and beautiful for goodness sake and should be able to defend itself against rats and 30 day characters causing the pirate to work for his booty for a change.
(Wipes eyes) There it had to be said help the miner damn it…

Reducing miner income doesn't really qualify as “helping”.

You do not, I repeat, you do not want to be mining anywhere around Jita. You will most likely be killed within the hour of doing so.

It's all good now, I Moved to Null Sec with a corp there, and I guess Isk problems are sorted out now!

Get a cloak and take your Orca into a wormhole. You can stuff the Orca with a gas miner, ore miner, etc and throw in an exploration ship to scan down anoms and a combat ship to cya or run sites. Or don't take it into WHs and do the same thing.

I'm bound to be useless because the whole null sec thing is new to me, But the corp I joined is good, It's in Providence, and The corp is in an alliance, so everyone in local is friendly. They gave me a free procurer and happily answered any questions I had about Low Sec.
I guess I'll get better at the whole thing, Because for someone who has rarely ventured out High Sec before, it's different. Very different.
I also don't know why people thought this was a troll post, because it really didn't intend to look like one. I am a newbie at this game, and I know the questions I asked were pretty stupid.

This pilot is right on the ISK's. The time now needed to upgraded a BPO to it highest efficiency can take months of real time to get it there, plus the BPO is worthless while being upgrd, so make a few copies before you do. As for mining... it use to be fun exciting and profitable. Now its almost a waste of time. It won't change until there is a shortage on ships, weapons or modules which means pirates will then have to mine for themselves to replace their ships. The economy of EVE doesn't seem to be as health as it once was for the player. Plexes when I started was selling for around 400 million ISK's inflation and desperation is why they cost over a Billion. We use to be able to play EVE for free by Marketing are wares. Now if your not will be to use a C.C. (Credit Card) to play all the old players invested in the game simple fade away.
And before anyone writes the negative feed back like: "Don't fly it if you can't afford to losing it". Who the hell can it's not a matter of flying anymore it a matter of being able to afford the game.

If you can't afford $15/mo then you have far larger issues than the cost of PLEX in-game.

Mining income is kinda OK if you can login a lot but but usually need to be semi AFK or be on call to drop everything ... so keeping an eye on young kids, logging from work, have a very patchy net connection - stuff like that. If its a case of 20 mill an hour or no income, mining is better than nothing.

If you are actually able to give EVE your full attention there are better ways to do it.

Orcas btw make OK haulers if you tank them up a bit, sorta halfway between a DST and a freighter in capacity.