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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2101 - 2012-01-04 04:33:34 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:

There is a difference between griefing and pvp. Even from my pirating days I knew that.


But then you found Jesus and now, you want to play dress up with other like-minded cretins?

And I like both griefing and pvp, for different reasons.

Kuronaga wrote:

Frankly you just sound mentally disturbed if you want to focus your hatred on one particular person that much.


I am sorry, armchair psychiatrist, I don't listen to bullshit and you are both stunningly and embarrassingly full of ****.


Sad demented panda crying out "look at me"!

Good news is most of Eve knows how they want to play Eve and your opinion is not only the minority, but should Eve survive even more an outlier.

More time is spent in Eve in PvE, industry and trade the pure PvP. Simple fact and easy to see with simple direct observation. The fact that CCP has put so much effort into making these key game elements conerstones of the Eve sandbox proves the CCP believes in Eve as a SciFi simulator and not just an internet spaceships shoot a stranger in the face game you seem to think it is. If you don't believe CCP thinks of Eve as a SciFi simulator then you need to learn the "google" and do your homework.

That you rant so much about folks wanting the next level of SciFi simulation (ambulation) from Eve means you lack any interest in SciFi or a basic imagination.

I've been trying not to respond to negative troll types and I am ignoring anything some of the regular trolls post here but you deserve this one response. You are wrong about Eve, CCP, WiS.

And please keep bumping the thread. I'm hoping for 200 pages. But if you insist on posting more, try and evolve your argument to more than personal attacks and claims that you alone understand how Eve is supposed to be played and you opinion is the only correct one. You don't and it isn't.

I've stated my case for WiS with solid arguments and continue to call out to CCP to clarify plans for WiS moving forward, and despite the folks that say otherwise it appears that at this moment there are no resources assigned to WiS and no plans for further development. If someone can point me at a statement from CCP other than the phrase "back burnered" as that phrase is as likely to mean no resources as some resources (I linked multiple definitions previously) I'd love to be corrected.

CCP! Open the door!!!

Issler

see you are saying all you want is a progress update or statement of intent from ccp with the future of wis
and then you end it with the open the door!!!111 meme, and sad panda
you are ignoring the discussions (yes i only troll 80% of the time, 20% is discussion)
the core of which was that there IS NO PURPOSE OF WIS AS OF NOW
look at the postings of DeMichael Crimson, and even he agrees that it will inevitably take YEARS for ccp to realize their vision, and he is fine with it, that first steps must be taken even though they may seem meaningless, that it is all in preparation for the grander scheme of things, hey i am going to repeat it for you one more time, it takes years for ccp to "fix things" christ are you new to the ways of ccp?

and then here you are again repeating your juvenile open the door!!! like now!!! foot stomping, not engaging in the discussions, because you just want the door open, like it ain't no thing
that just makes me want to get uncivil, stoop to your level, it makes you look gullible, and your cause frivolous

what is wrong with dress-up and /emoting with a bunch of dudes?
read it again
DRESSING UP AND /EMOTING WITH A BUNCH OF DUDES, it's unseemly, and so is your meme flinging and yeah it's a bump, free of charge


Not engaging in the discussions? I guess you just skipped to the end of the thread. What I haven't engaged is obvious and repetitive trolls that only shout "barbie" in their argument against. I would settle for a status update but in the end I want CCP to deliver the promise of WiS.

More folks like "open the door" as a rally cry than not. As to you saying there is no point to WiS at this point, again, I guess reading the actual thread was too much work. There are plenty of folks besides me that have suggested how WiS could make Eve more fun for many of us,

I've been in Eve since the beginning, how long have you been here?

Issler
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#2102 - 2012-01-04 04:40:34 UTC
The people who cry about WiS never actually understood the problems that Incursion represented. They just got caught up in the mob, saw avatars and figured this was the new cool thing to complain about.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2103 - 2012-01-04 06:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Xuko Nuki wrote:
The people who cry about WiS never actually understood the problems that Incarna represented. They just got caught up in the mob, saw avatars and figured this was the new cool thing to complain about.


Incursion is part of other problem, combined with null anomalies nerf. Which is the main reason of the unsubs anyway.
OTT : Not sure whose idea was to remove all carebears from null but i got my guess.
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#2104 - 2012-01-04 07:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Forum Fighter
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris."

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2105 - 2012-01-04 07:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Forum Fighter wrote:
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Mittani nerdraging about Fis.


No, not really. As far as i know compete removing of WiS and NeX are not on CSM agenda. And he does not look like an guy who suffering from reality disconnection to be nerdraging ..
49125
Growing Old Disgracefully
#2106 - 2012-01-04 07:51:42 UTC
Arcathra wrote:

I already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.


Agreed.

Risk. Life. The two are either mutually exclusive (undead) or not (everything else).

In hi-sec you can be kilt easily enough.

Even in life you can be present one second and not, the next.
~

WiS must conform to the established EVE ethos: Life is precious. Life is hard work.

Clones? A buffer. Nothing more.

Rambling - sorry.

.
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#2107 - 2012-01-04 08:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Syphon Lodian
Alpheias wrote:
already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.


What is wrong with you.

You're projecting a little too much here... I think you have some issues outside of your reluctance for Incarna and WiS.....

There are many features in EVE that do not cater to your needs of being an obnoxious psychopath. Being in a station for one. I can't take your stuff, or murder you in station. This is not a new concept. WIS is merely an extension of that.. Oh my goodness, it's so unbearable, what ever will you do...

In WiS, you could look at all your stuffs, and interact with the peoples spread out in the station column no one ever looks at.. Or, you can sit on the couch with a stupid scowl on your face. Your choice, better yet, don't use it... Shocking concept.
What?

Edit: Sorry for the misquote, original quote was Alpheias
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2108 - 2012-01-04 08:49:08 UTC
Just to clarify:

This (awful) quote wasn't from me, it was from Alpheias.
Syphon Lodian
Fabled Enterprises
#2109 - 2012-01-04 09:06:41 UTC
Arcathra wrote:
Just to clarify:

This (awful) quote wasn't from me, it was from Alpheias.


I fixed the error.
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
#2110 - 2012-01-04 10:36:59 UTC
Syphon Lodian wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
already answered this, but I'll summarize for you again: I am not getting anything out of it unless I know for a fact that I can murder your toon, leave it in a pool of blood and steal your **** in "WiS". Anything less than that, well, please do hurry up and GTFO my game.


What is wrong with you.

You're projecting a little too much here... I think you have some issues outside of your reluctance for Incarna and WiS.....

There are many features in EVE that do not cater to your needs of being an obnoxious psychopath. Being in a station for one. I can't take your stuff, or murder you in station. This is not a new concept. WIS is merely an extension of that.. Oh my goodness, it's so unbearable, what ever will you do...

In WiS, you could look at all your stuffs, and interact with the peoples spread out in the station column no one ever looks at.. Or, you can sit on the couch with a stupid scowl on your face. Your choice, better yet, don't use it... Shocking concept.
What?

Edit: Sorry for the misquote, original quote was Alpheias


that is an obvious troll. Alpheias doesn't seem to exist on any killboard, and it doesn't look like the psychotic killer she claims to be. So it's either an alt that has never left the station, therefore some sort of WiS would be nice for her. Or it's a forum alt, meaning someone to scared to state their opinions with their main. And looking a bit further at corp details their kills are one member of ER in a gang of 14 killing sitting at chokepoints killing the unsuspecting osprey miner.

And again, yes WiS done right might be nice for me personally because for some long time I no longer have the luxury of playing eve fulltime. And I would like something to do in station in 15 minutes window frames (play some minigame against a player.. and watch my collection of exotic dancers might be a good start).

+1 WiS (done properly)
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2111 - 2012-01-04 10:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Having satisfied my appetite (my tummy hurts!) for trolling for the rest of the week, it is time to give the only one that has taken the time to actually cook up something decent, a proper reply.

Arcathra wrote:

Of course. Why should I take a risk if there is no reward in doing so? Makes no sense. EVE is already about risk vs. reward at every corner. People are choosing constantly what risk they are willing to take for what reward.
Why should there be a great risk in socializing? Makes no sense. But great risk in smuggling contraband, that makes perfectly sense. It also makes sense to apply a similar template that is used in the core game (high-sec, low-sec, etc.) to WiS locations.


In my mind, no place in EVE should ever be 100% safe under any circumstances whether you are in a walking around in a station, like you do, or in space and at the moment, though a bit mad, the best comparison I can come up with is RL.

RL is full of opportunities and risks as is EVE so why should a WiS be excluded from both? Because that is how I see WiS.

Arcathra wrote:

And so what if I am looking for new ways to socialize with players? Same stupid question. Why is your "griefing" more relevant than socializing? EVE needs both and there has to be some kind of balance. The problem is that the (allowed) griefing-gameplay contradicts with other playing styles that are as valid as griefing. There is always a lot of tension between those player groups. Sadly that is nothing we can really change in a sandbox enviroment. But I think the different security zones in EVE do a really good job to keep this tension as low as possible. Therefore it is a good idea to have some similar system in stations.


I didn't say it was more relevant, only that I was looking for new ways.

And while I agree with you that it creates tension, and far too many (and I know a few in RL.. ) get really upset over shenanigans in a game, I disagree that there has to be safe zones where players are safe from any kind of harm because that frankly doesn't make much sense to me - especially for a game like EVE.

Because I am thinking bounty hunters and assassins stalking their quarry inside a station.

Arcathra wrote:

I think you have the wrong impression of me. Did I say that I want to be safe of any kind of hostile actions? Again, read what I'm writing. I said that a game like EVE needs some save spots. You can agree with that or not. There are some of those ingame and it is mostly working as intended (eg high-sec itself, not safe entirely, but enough for most players). Sounds you are also one of the "remove high-sec"-supporters, arn't you? Think this is the wrong thread to discuss such fundamental principles of the game.


So let's agree to disagree and save that debate for another time. Smile

Aye, I am one of those dreadful "remove high-sec" supporters. Shouldn't come as a surprise really.

Arcathra wrote:

Just let's assume I really wouldn't undock if you are in system. How is that bothering you? Am I denieing you some kind of "rightful" kill or what is exactly your problem with that?
With the famous Hulkageddon approaching, many miners will stop mining because their think the risk is to high. Most of them will just do something else they perceive as not as risky. After the event is over they will start to mine again and be happy about the high mineral prices. Do they also play the wrong game? Seems they get along fine with it... (okay, there are some raging morons who can't and in this case, I'm on your side).


That you don't undock doesn't bother me one bit. Think you misunderstood the context.

I was about to make some witty remark about pro-WiS people being raging morons but then I realized that would just be so mean. Roll

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#2112 - 2012-01-04 11:35:26 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
In my mind, no place in EVE should ever be 100% safe under any circumstances whether you are in a walking around in a station, like you do, or in space and at the moment, though a bit mad, the best comparison I can come up with is RL.

RL is full of opportunities and risks as is EVE so why should a WiS be excluded from both? Because that is how I see WiS.

Okay, I could live with that. That's the reason I made the proposel that it could work like high-sec/low-sec. Hanging around the promenade or in a bar could be like flying through high-sec. You are not 100% save, somone can "gank" you but then he would be stalked by station security. This would take away much of the uneasiness most players would have but wouldn't be safe.
The "lower" part of the station could be the place where the real money could be made, but there is no station security down there to punish the criminals... which would be the reason why criminal transaction would be made there.

Thank you for your constructive input.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2113 - 2012-01-04 12:08:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


Not engaging in the discussions? I guess you just skipped to the end of the thread. What I haven't engaged is obvious and repetitive trolls that only shout "barbie" in their argument against. I would settle for a status update but in the end I want CCP to deliver the promise of WiS.

More folks like "open the door" as a rally cry than not. As to you saying there is no point to WiS at this point, again, I guess reading the actual thread was too much work. There are plenty of folks besides me that have suggested how WiS could make Eve more fun for many of us,

I've been in Eve since the beginning, how long have you been here?

Issler




This thead is so damned long and confusing we probably already had the discussion twice and forgot it. But my basic take is that I'm happy for future development on Incarna to happen as long as NeX is removed from Eve and there is absolutely zero MT-based content in for the Station environment (ie it ALL needs to be delivered through traditional eve gameplay). No compromise on the NeX issue for me, I think as long as it exists there is a terrible temptation to cheat the players of content they are desperately starved of. Incarna should be about gameplay through industry, shady contacts and recreational activities that all take place in the eve universe and involve players selling player made (or administrated) goods and services to other players.

IF Incarna can only work with MT/NeX then frankly Eve is better off without it.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2114 - 2012-01-04 13:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Taiwanistan wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


CCP! Open the door!!!



I think im putting that in my sig...

nice i hope they have a special /grovelingus emote just for you


It's called "the middle finger"...I will be sure to throw one your way whenever I see you.

The NeX issue is irrelevant here. Frankly I don't understand why anybody even cares about the NeX store being there or not. I have seen people complain that NeX is taking away from the people that create stuff...why? You couldn't create clothing before...what makes you think you deserve to now? You can still make every module, ship and piece of ammo you could before...nothing has been "taken" from you at all.

But again...that is the point...if you don't like NeX...IGNORE it. Move on already. The core of EvE is still there for you to play in. Same goes for WiS...if you don't like it...don't use it. You aren't being forced into anything here.

Having a team of devs working on WiS is not going to take anything away from the rest of EvE. CCP still has teams of people working on FiS. And no, your argument of that one team taking 1 or 2 people away from other parts of EvE is not valid. It's like throwing 5 people at a job that only needs 2. You don't need every single dev in CCP working on one thing to get the job done.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Taiwanistan
#2115 - 2012-01-04 14:35:39 UTC
oh ho the middle finger whatever you say dude with the nsync hairdo

Jade i feel that if incarna is only there for dudes to o7m8 each other than frankly then frankly eve is better without it
the problem of wis is not the MT NEX, the problem is the lack of even the slightest indication of "content" the only things on the proposed features are establishments (o7m8ing) and that is useless

industry sounds good but what does "shady contacts" even mean gameplay wise?
if you refuse to pay for dress up clothes fine somebody else will, why block ccp from getting their money?
and lol according to your podcast you live in WHs so no wis for you most of the time

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2116 - 2012-01-04 18:14:37 UTC
Forum Fighter wrote:
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris."

Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Eve players want.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2117 - 2012-01-04 18:31:09 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Forum Fighter wrote:
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris."

Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Goonswarm players want.


Fixed it for you.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2118 - 2012-01-04 18:43:17 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Forum Fighter wrote:
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris."

Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Goonswarm players want.


Fixed it for you.

It wasn't just Goons who were canceling their accounts after CCP ignored eve for two years.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#2119 - 2012-01-04 18:43:38 UTC
As someone who was around in goonfleet proper back in the day, I don't think the majority of goonswarm players actually have an opinion of their own. There are those that do, yea, but they are traditionally seen as less popular unless they can sing.
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#2120 - 2012-01-04 18:43:52 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Forum Fighter wrote:
Everytime they make some progress on Wis they get spam called on Skype by Shittani nerdraging about Fis and using words like: "hubris."

Good. It's nice to see the CSM sticking up for what the vast majority of Eve players want.


That went right over your head so I'll just let that one go by.

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™