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New defensive for freighters / jump freighters
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Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-12 08:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Miner
HI,

SKILL
Repulsion Technology
Operation of repulsion burst modules. 5% increase in Repulsion acceleration speed per level.



MODULE
Repulsion Burst I
Can be fitted to a freighter or jump freighter and emit a repulsion burst to all ships currently locked on to the target. All locked targets within range will be propelled outwards away from the target at the current level of acceleration speed.

Tech Level: 1
Fitting Slot: High

Can be fitted to: Freighter / Jump Freighter

Activation: 20 sec
Burst Radius: 80,000m
Repulsion Acceleration Speed: 8,000 km/s
Reactivation delay: 500 sec

Module can only be used in system security 0.4 or lower


Yes/No?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#2 - 2015-09-12 08:36:57 UTC
Hulk Miner wrote:
HI,

SKILL
Repulsion Technology
Operation of repulsion burst modules. 5% increase in Repulsion acceleration speed per level.



MODULE
Repulsion Burst I
Can be fitted to a freighter or jump freighter and emit a repulsion burst to all ships currently locked on to the target. All locked targets within range will be propelled outwards away from the target at the current level of acceleration speed.

Tech Level: 1
Fitting Slot: High

Can be fitted to: Freighter / Jump Freighter

Activation: 20 sec
Burst Radius: 80,000m
Repulsion Acceleration Speed: 8,000 km/s
Reactivation delay: 500 sec


Yes/No?


No.

Why should freighters get some magical module that no one else can use with that has no other purpose than to allow a capital ship to operate without a support fleet? I don't see how that makes the game better or more interesting.

Just bring an escort like the developers intend for you to do.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2015-09-12 10:14:09 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:

No.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tiddle Jr
Monkey Foot Distribution
Monkey Foot
#4 - 2015-09-12 11:19:38 UTC
Hulk Miner wrote:
HI,

Yes/No?


My Lord, your name! It's something. You should be target number one for all gankers and 315 rules followers.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2015-09-12 11:27:13 UTC
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#6 - 2015-09-12 12:50:21 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers


May I refer you to this episode of The Meta Show with Grath Telkin. About 25min in.
When a player, who is certainly pro. in this game, cannot in any way avoid a freighter loss in highsec,
than I would call this unballanced. Even with a reasonable sized guard you would not be able to get your freighter through, because CONCORD protects bumpers in highsec. The only reasonable option here is not to fly freighters in highsec. "Emergent gameplay" gets you quite far but at some point it gets retarted. Bumpers should get a suspect flag so that your guard can do something. Alternative, make it possible to wardec NPC corps and/or allow friendly fire in NPC corps.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#7 - 2015-09-12 13:04:38 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers


May I refer you to this episode of The Meta Show with Grath Telkin. About 25min in.
When a player, who is certainly pro. in this game, cannot in any way avoid a freighter loss in highsec,
than I would call this unballanced. Even with a reasonable sized guard you would not be able to get your freighter through, because CONCORD protects bumpers in highsec. The only reasonable option here is not to fly freighters in highsec. "Emergent gameplay" gets you quite far but at some point it gets retarted. Bumpers should get a suspect flag so that your guard can do something. Alternative, make it possible to wardec NPC corps and/or allow friendly fire in NPC corps.

May I refer you to CCP Falcon's comments on the subject of freighter ganking?

Why do you presume that you should be able to avoid a freighter loss in highsec? The ability to do so would seem to break the "nowhere is safe" design of the game.

So yes, the only way to 100% avoid a freighter loss in highsec is not to fly one. If you could be 100% safe, that would be unbalanced.

The vulnerability of freighters is intended. Remember the whole "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" lesson they drilled into you at capsuleer school?

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#8 - 2015-09-12 13:04:39 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers


May I refer you to this episode of The Meta Show with Grath Telkin. About 25min in.
When a player, who is certainly pro. in this game, cannot in any way avoid a freighter loss in highsec,
than I would call this unballanced. Even with a reasonable sized guard you would not be able to get your freighter through, because CONCORD protects bumpers in highsec. The only reasonable option here is not to fly freighters in highsec. "Emergent gameplay" gets you quite far but at some point it gets retarted. Bumpers should get a suspect flag so that your guard can do something. Alternative, make it possible to wardec NPC corps and/or allow friendly fire in NPC corps.


A single web gets a freighter into warp before a bumping ship has time to reach it.
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#9 - 2015-09-12 13:19:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers


May I refer you to this episode of The Meta Show with Grath Telkin. About 25min in.
When a player, who is certainly pro. in this game, cannot in any way avoid a freighter loss in highsec,
than I would call this unballanced. Even with a reasonable sized guard you would not be able to get your freighter through, because CONCORD protects bumpers in highsec. The only reasonable option here is not to fly freighters in highsec. "Emergent gameplay" gets you quite far but at some point it gets retarted. Bumpers should get a suspect flag so that your guard can do something. Alternative, make it possible to wardec NPC corps and/or allow friendly fire in NPC corps.


A single web gets a freighter into warp before a bumping ship has time to reach it.


Apparently not
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#10 - 2015-09-12 13:26:52 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:


Apparently not


It is, people are just bad.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-09-12 13:32:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lim Hiaret wrote:

Apparently not

It is, people are just bad.

There are ways to get a freighter pointed way before a webber can lock the freighter. Roll

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#12 - 2015-09-12 13:37:20 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:

There are ways to get a freighter pointed way before a webber can lock the freighter. Roll


Which spawns concord and thus spoils any gank attempt.

If you do happen to get bumped then get a fast ship out in front of the bumped freighter and simply warp the freighter to it.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-09-12 13:39:45 UTC
Not in the slightest. The freighter is afterwards bumped off the gate grid.

No good freighter bumper bumps from behind, stop telling lies. You of all people should know that best. All good freighter bumpers bump from the top or bottom, which destroys any form of alignment a freighter could possibly have.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
#14 - 2015-09-12 13:43:17 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Lim Hiaret wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why are people allergic to just flying safe and/or with friends?

if i can get a JF into jita under war dec you should be fine avoiding gankers


May I refer you to this episode of The Meta Show with Grath Telkin. About 25min in.
When a player, who is certainly pro. in this game, cannot in any way avoid a freighter loss in highsec,
than I would call this unballanced. Even with a reasonable sized guard you would not be able to get your freighter through, because CONCORD protects bumpers in highsec. The only reasonable option here is not to fly freighters in highsec. "Emergent gameplay" gets you quite far but at some point it gets retarted. Bumpers should get a suspect flag so that your guard can do something. Alternative, make it possible to wardec NPC corps and/or allow friendly fire in NPC corps.

May I refer you to CCP Falcon's comments on the subject of freighter ganking?

Why do you presume that you should be able to avoid a freighter loss in highsec? The ability to do so would seem to break the "nowhere is safe" design of the game.

So yes, the only way to 100% avoid a freighter loss in highsec is not to fly one. If you could be 100% safe, that would be unbalanced.

The vulnerability of freighters is intended. Remember the whole "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" lesson they drilled into you at capsuleer school?



I don't say you should be able to fly a freighter alone and be safe. Also I don't say ganking should be impossible. Both is valid and "death to freighters" if you like. All I say is, it is retarted that by bumping, you can hold a freighter in place until downtime and be protected by CONCORD while doing so. That is plain stupid and basically a CONCORD intervention on behalve of the bumper. The arguement "just don't fly alone" is false because it doesn't matter how many friends you have, as long as they can't shoot the bumpers freely.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#15 - 2015-09-12 13:50:05 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Not in the slightest. The freighter is afterwards bumped off the gate grid.

No good freighter bumper bumps from behind, stop telling lies. You of all people should know that best. All good freighter bumpers bump from the top or bottom, which destroys any form of alignment a freighter could possibly have.


Move your small fast ship in the direction the freighter is getting bumped.

Why did I even need to explain that to you?
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2015-09-12 13:53:55 UTC
*sigh* A freighter cannot warp upwards just like that after it got bumped. That's not how it works. Show me a video that proves otherwise.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#17 - 2015-09-12 13:54:09 UTC
Lim Hiaret wrote:


I don't say you should be able to fly a freighter alone and be safe. Also I don't say ganking should be impossible. Both is valid and "death to freighters" if you like. All I say is, it is retarted that by bumping, you can hold a freighter in place until downtime and be protected by CONCORD while doing so. That is plain stupid and basically a CONCORD intervention on behalve of the bumper. The arguement "just don't fly alone" is false because it doesn't matter how many friends you have, as long as they can't shoot the bumpers freely.


I just gave you two very easy ways to beat bumpers.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#18 - 2015-09-12 13:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Rivr Luzade wrote:
*sigh* A freighter cannot warp upwards just like that after it got bumped. That's not how it works. Show me a video that proves otherwise.


You can warp to a target that is directly in front of your ship as you are both aligned and past minimum speed..
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-09-12 14:13:26 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:


My Lord, your name! It's something. You should be target number one for all gankers and 315 rules followers.


Please do, I do not have mining skills and do not fly freighters... the name was originally intended to lure Muppets into asteroid belt's in null. Seems it still works.
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-09-12 14:23:19 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:


Why should freighters get some magical module that no one else can use with that has no other purpose than to allow a capital ship to operate without a support fleet? I don't see how that makes the game better or more interesting.

Just bring an escort like the developers intend for you to do.


1. In magical module do you mean like the ECM burst on super caps?
2. I did not say the pilot would be unescorted merely came up with an idea to assist a freighter class ship when things
hit the fan and its squeaky bum time.
3. Isn't the above similar to when an ECM burst gets used.
4. I don't fly freighters.


-Hulk
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