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Fix FW camping enemy faction stations.
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Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#1 - 2015-09-10 23:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Last few times Ive logged on, when I undock from Jita there's been a gang of FW wartargets (11 reds) camping the station. They are camping, doing station games (docking when you shoot at them). I haven't lost anything. This has always been and still is annoying, and this isnt the first, second, or eleventh, time.

I don't mind them being there, but it should either be harder for them to pull it off. Or at least involve more commitment on their side. When I'm in low sec deep in enemy territory I'm stuck there and I have to deal with it. It shouldn't be so easy for FW wartargets to run amock in enemy faction high sec. Esp. not the hubs.



Suggestions:
1. make hostile faction aggression timers longer (x2, x3, x5, x10) in enemy faction territory. No station games.

Keep it up, +1
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2015-09-10 23:22:18 UTC
Err...

It's Jita, what did you expect? The undock is always camped. base elsewhere and move stuff with a neutral alt or a courier service like the rest of us do.
Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#3 - 2015-09-10 23:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Danika Princip wrote:
Err...

It's Jita, what did you expect? The undock is always camped. base elsewhere and move stuff with a neutral alt or a courier service like the rest of us do.


I'm fussing over the lore/gameplay, irritation, and I just hate station games.

Keep it up, +1
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-09-10 23:32:00 UTC
It's Jita. Why would you not expect this to happen in Jita? Or any of the other major hubs? This is how it has always been, and if your reason is 'because I don't like it', you're not going to convince anyone.

Why should your wardec work differently to, say, Marmite's?
Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#5 - 2015-09-10 23:41:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Danika Princip wrote:
It's Jita. Why would you not expect this to happen in Jita? Or any of the other major hubs? This is how it has always been, and if your reason is 'because I don't like it', you're not going to convince anyone.

Why should your wardec work differently to, say, Marmite's?


because its FW. I can't doc in enemy faction stations in low sec. I don't know how this should be addressed, but there is an inconsistency here.

Keep it up, +1
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-09-10 23:49:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
If you can't dock/undock, you are bad at Eve. Anyone can dock/undock with impunity if they put two seconds of research into how to do it. Station games are part of the mechanics, deal with it.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-09-10 23:58:50 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
It's Jita. Why would you not expect this to happen in Jita? Or any of the other major hubs? This is how it has always been, and if your reason is 'because I don't like it', you're not going to convince anyone.

Why should your wardec work differently to, say, Marmite's?


because its FW. I can't doc in enemy faction stations in low sec. I don't know how this should be addressed, but there is an inconsistency here.



But you're not talking about lowsec, you're specifically talking about war targets camping highsec trade hubs.

The solution is alts/couriers.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2015-09-11 00:14:09 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Err...

It's Jita, what did you expect? The undock is always camped. base elsewhere and move stuff with a neutral alt or a courier service like the rest of us do.


I'm fussing over the lore/gameplay, irritation, and I just hate station games.


See, I think you must have this forum confused. This is "features and ideas", not "whines and fussing".

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#9 - 2015-09-11 00:23:24 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:


But you're not talking about lowsec, you're specifically talking about war targets camping highsec trade hubs.

The solution is alts/couriers.

No, they are talking specifically about MILITIA camping enemy space.
And asking that the same rules that apply in FW space apply through all of Empire space.

Come on, we all know that people regularly exploit the NPC Navy forces via several means which cause them to get lost and stop attacking the militia like they are meant to. I've watched Gal Militia pilots sit on perches for hours at Jita, with no NPC navy at all turning up to engage them despite the normal timer.

This isn't an unreasonable request, it's not a watering down of EVE, it's actually a hardening up of EVE as it inflicts real consequences on joining a militia and makes the other trade hubs take on more importance.
EVE should not be ideally played via alts, even if alts are a thing.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-09-11 08:15:06 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:


But you're not talking about lowsec, you're specifically talking about war targets camping highsec trade hubs.

The solution is alts/couriers.

No, they are talking specifically about MILITIA camping enemy space.
And asking that the same rules that apply in FW space apply through all of Empire space.

Come on, we all know that people regularly exploit the NPC Navy forces via several means which cause them to get lost and stop attacking the militia like they are meant to. I've watched Gal Militia pilots sit on perches for hours at Jita, with no NPC navy at all turning up to engage them despite the normal timer.

This isn't an unreasonable request, it's not a watering down of EVE, it's actually a hardening up of EVE as it inflicts real consequences on joining a militia and makes the other trade hubs take on more importance.
EVE should not be ideally played via alts, even if alts are a thing.


I'm not sure how it took so long for someone to point this out.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#11 - 2015-09-11 10:58:36 UTC
So make low sec stations dockable by either side.

Want fw enemies cleared Off a station? call on your literal hundreds if not thousands of allies in fw.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-09-11 11:07:14 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
So make low sec stations dockable by either side.

Want fw enemies cleared Off a station? call on your literal hundreds if not thousands of allies in fw.



Nah, they changed that so there was a consequence to system control. It was a good change.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#13 - 2015-09-11 14:06:51 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
So make low sec stations dockable by either side.

Want fw enemies cleared Off a station? call on your literal hundreds if not thousands of allies in fw.



Nah, they changed that so there was a consequence to system control. It was a good change.


And should apply in High-sec as well.

This is a tiny bit redundant (only comes up once every few months), but it's just common sense that members of the Caldari militia would NOT be allowed to dock at a "Federal Defence Union" station (Villore).

So redundancy or no, people should keep bringing this up until it's changed.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2015-09-11 14:11:13 UTC
Op , read this.
Ignore station games.<-------emphasis on the period

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