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Gnosis (Special edition battle cruiser)

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NorthwoodIOW
Independent Pilots Association
#1 - 2015-09-08 10:10:17 UTC
I am new to this game, but like many more nubes ,I like to have ships that can do something more that my standard galente ships,so I purchased the Gnosis and because it cost's so much as a nube, I wanted to insure it unfortunately the max payout for this ship if destroyed is 5 ISK.I have sent a ticket in and found the readon for this is there is no blueprint thus a value cannot be put on because the system becuse it does not know what and how many materials required to build it.So I was told to come with my idea on how to get around this, and that is make a ghost blue print up that the system can see but players cant , as the true value at the moment for this ship is only 5 ISK and if I had known this from start I would not of parted with 78million ISK,as taking this into a fight could be a expensive loss.Please see if it is possible to correct this by making some type of ghost blueprint so as the value of the isurance payout is as good or better than what it actually cost to purchase it or drop the price of the Gnosis to 5 ISK.

Cheers
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2015-09-08 20:22:49 UTC
The issues with this are...

- the Gnosis was given as a gift to everyone in the game about 2 years ago

- it was released in a 15-run BPC to anyone who bought the EVE Online Collector's Edition

- the game's database cannot differentiate between ships released or built at different times (unless they remain "assembled"... which nothing on the market is)

- the DEVs very much dislike artifically injecting raw materials or ISK into the game... hence why almost every ship given out as a gift is worthless in terms of mineral and insurance value


Also... welcome to EVE. Never buy what you cannot afford to lose (even with insurance).

Instead, use your new toy to make some ISK and buy another ship you can insure (after all, when life gives you lemons... make lemonade and pour it over someone's head).
Or just sell it.

How did you Veterans start?
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#3 - 2015-09-10 15:32:29 UTC
CCP can't lower the price of the ship, that is set by players. If insurance is increased many players could become rich by blowing up their Gnoses. I suggest you simply resell you Gnosis at a small loss if you don't want it.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-09-10 21:09:01 UTC
If I remember rightly, the insurance payout is based on the base price of the minerals required to build a ship.

Looking at my gnosis BPC, it's 1 unit of trit to build each one.

So...yeah. working as intended, and if you think that's bad yu should see the payouts on T2, T3 and pirate faction ships.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#5 - 2015-09-10 21:25:56 UTC
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Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#6 - 2015-09-15 22:12:00 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
If I remember rightly, the insurance payout is based on the base price of the minerals required to build a ship.

Looking at my gnosis BPC, it's 1 unit of trit to build each one.

So...yeah. working as intended, and if you think that's bad yu should see the payouts on T2, T3 and pirate faction ships.



And you had to remind me again how little insurance payout there will be when (not if, it's gonna happen eventually!) I lose the Astero, Dramiel, and other 'pirate' faction ships in my personal use fleet. Regular T1 four empire ships pay out on Platinum at least a smidge more than estimated retail value shown in ISIS. Why can't other ship types get the same base numbers?? Goodness knows the insurance charges are scaled to range, just not the payout. I'm not asking to make my fortune by losing my higher end boats (I don't see that as a viable way to come out ahead in the wallet budgeting), I'd just like a level payout range. Pretty sure this conversation has popped up on the forums before.

>Jeven

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2015-09-15 23:30:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
@ Javen...

The reason for the bad insurance payouts on Pirate and Faction ships is because, mineral-wise, there is nothing special about them.
Their cost is due to factors other than minerals (and thus outside of the insurance system). LP cost, LP-ISK ratio, drop rates (big one), and how many are actually sold versus kept in-house (some people who farm certain places horde BPCs waiting for price spikes) all contribute to the price of a "special" ship.

"Spirit-wise"... the reason you pay through the nose both in getting and losing "special" ships is because the insurance system was designed to primarily help younger and poorer players by "softening the blow" if/when they are blown up.
In buying a Navy, Pirate, Tech 2, or Tech 3 ship you are effectively declaring that you are neither new, nor poor, and that you are willing to accept significantly (or hideously) higher costs in exchange for extra performance.
Ego... no insurance for you.

How did you Veterans start?