EVE General Discussion

K,
all I got is this sock puppet

*squeaky voice*

I'm gon get choo

I think the problem is that players expect FUN from playing eve.
Now in many cases it is very limited.

This problem was created both by players , as tbh we abuse every possible mechanic to gain advantage against other players , and by CCP, as some changes arrived to late , and in force equal to our own dedication for abusing every thing.

Currently eve , even with all the nonsenses of the new sov ( sorry Fozzie , but try to live in a small alliance , move your stuff to new sov , and then go to vacation, or hospital ) eve is getting better.
Slowly , painfully but better.

Good example is current Fountain map, and stuff that is slowly going on in Delve.

I think EVE should be about alliances holding 1-2 constellations, not whole regions. (Fozzie , pls new gate connections for far end regions , no small group will contest them , if they cannot get to them)
Eve is about conflict , so this way those alliances need to compete against each other - and this is something that CCP need to address - and it won't be easy.

We also need to think about how the current mobility works , and how we can improve it without ruining balance.
Currently for me, the simplest solution are the wormholes.
We should have more direct wormhole connections - not ones leading by wormhole space , but K to K space.
CCP could think about creating new type of wormhole.
Small mass , and short life time - let say 3-4 hours.

Enough to get some fun in other space of eve, but not enough to plan some big op, movement, or move large amount of assets.

Depends on definition, but I would say yes. The devs I have interacted with have done an excellent job of keeping responses to out of line behavior professional. CCP Falcon is the only one that I've ever seen really bite into a player, and it is something of his job to do so.

Thats a small list compare to the good list. You need allot more than that....

For me it is the other way around, they beat me up for my ideas and leave me to cry in the ditch.

They try.

While i think the term 'cyber-bullying' is some new age BS (as a kid i experienced a bully or 2 before reaching Jr. high School when I grew 6 inches over a summer, I have yet to understand the concept of being 'bullied' via something i can turn the F off), people DO try to influence others in whatever way they can. And Gamers in general aren't known for their social skills, too many think that the way to get a company to give them what they want is to sling poo at them over the internet.

I think the grown folks at CCP understand what it is though, impotent crap talk by spoiled people hiding behind internet anonymity and nothing else.

CCP are in an odd spot, they have a shrinking but very loyal customer base and a product that appeals to very few gamers.
They seem to see trends in other parts of the game / software industry and then apply them to Eve to see what sticks instead of being players themselves and understanding what people want.

They need to grow the core product to open up more possibilities or switch businesses, since the founders of CCP left to form a VR company and CCP is along that path because of all the money getting dumped into it a this point I see a time when Eve isnt the core focus of CCP or some other company roles them.

The moves of CCP indicate they will continue to cannibalize the core Eve Online product until new products generate more revenue. CCP biggest error was the 100 mil they took from Eve and dumped into WOD and the purchase of Whitewolf.

The VR move will be the end for them, unless they can convince someone to buy them.

Ultimately, bullies are still preferable to arse-lickers and snitches.

I dont see any constructive real solutions.
The trend and behavior is already so strongly emplaced.
I think most Devs rarely, if ever, read these boards.
Certainly much less that they do reddit, for example, or other 3rd party systems of communication with players.

Next step, is in a downward spiral of increasing hostility for both parties.

Where more fraternization on 3rd party sites leads to familiarity, leads to contempt, leads to cliquing, leads to metagaming, leads to influencing, leads to CCP banhammers ingame, leads to resentment on all sides, then more of the same, but escalated.

To put it in ingame parlance:
Devs live in Jove.
Official forum is the HS of the internet meta.
3rd party sites are NS/WH space.

Players have managed to coerce CCP staff into their own space, out of the safety and oversight of the official, with empty promises of cookies. Staff feel like they are more free there, but actually they are at the players mercy, and only included because the players there want something from them, and to influence them, in a way that would not be possible here on this board.

If you can hook/bait a Dev to live in your own space, youve basically managed to bend a god's ear to your council and influence, on your terms. People are all emminently impressionable and maleable, when the correct leverage and carrot is used. When you already have more space, isk and allies than you know what to do with, influencing the future becomes your impetus.

Its basically AWOXing of CCP, from within, on an unprecedented (and seemingly successful) scale.

I dont mean to tinfoil in exaggeration, but ultimately this is what it boils down to, especially considering human nature, internet culture, and most importantly, the utterly conniving and unscrupulous EVE mentality of its players which is carried as a context throughout the ideal of the penultimate achievement in EVE, which is managing to convince a Dev to listen to you, and thereby influencing the entirety of the future of EVE.

On 3rd party social media, "bullying" can even be used as a meta tool to further influence Devs against certain groups or ideas, and/or towards your own group and ideas. Posters are not regulated there as they are herem either by rules or a traceable sub to EVE. There is no culpability. Accounts can be created, utilised and abandoned at will, with absolutely no recourse to commit them to any real responsibility.

Im just a scrub, and relatively new to the game, yet even I see the potential.
Now apply what I have said, to entities who have real weight in EVE in-game, and outside it in terms of human resources of skilled/trained and motivated individuals, for whom AWOXing is their purpose, game experience and at which they are exceedingly proficient.

These people have managed to change the fate, rise and fall, of empires in EVE that comprise thousands of persons.
What chance does one Dev, baited into a 3rd party site, posting from his CCP cubicle, have against that?

None.

Whether they realize it or not, they have already become pawns in a far greater game, with some seriously dangerous and capable players involved.

To Devs: Not that you will read this, since its not on reddit, and Im nobody, and thisnwill be buried behind 10 shitnposts, but remember that in EVE, and anything related to it, trust NOBODY. If you read it, you are influenced by it. Never underestimate or forget that the influence meta is real, and you are its primary and penultimate target. Also never forget that some of the people you are talking to, are very, exceedingly, good at social/personal manipulation. You are a prominent and profitable target. Take precautions.

^^ mostly what this gent is saying ^^

If you look at the 'meat' of people's grievances from 2 or 3 steps away you'll firstly wonder why they aren't following the game ethos which is to persuade you to 'adapt' to new mechanics (often meaning the complete halt of what you were doing yesterday).

Then, you will observe that they (Person moaning) really just dislike the change that they have 'Min/Maxed' their play style to very high levels of efficiency, and are acting like a 12month old flailing their arms about and throwing toys around the playpen.

Gets funnier if you 'serious face' tell them to 'Adapt or die'. - Everyone should take 5 mins out of their day to locate one of these trolls and type just that under every post they poop out.

One can almost feel the heat from their veins popping out of their foreheads.

in general there is no cyberbullying.

There are 'specific' and 'targeted' pages and blog posts that do contain some degree of value in terms of feedback that could be construed as bullying if you were a 'sensitive snow flake'.

CCP is in Iceland. They are Vikings. You can raise your voice all day and type whatever you want. They will still eat sheep heads and many foods most of us would barf just unpacking.

I think they can take the worst you can throw at them and just shrug their shoulders and go back to whatever they were doing.