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Plex hits 1b ISK in Jita

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flakeys
Doomheim
#141 - 2015-09-10 10:43:49 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tosski wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Brutus Utama wrote:
The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...

i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity


Have you ever though about paying with real money for your subs and not having to grind a single ISK for your gametime?



Most people pay for their subs via plex cause they don't have the real life money to pay for it. If not for plexes they wouldn't be able to play. As the economy keeps getting worse in many parts of the world, I can see the demand for plexes slowly go up. But on the other hand if prices of plex keep going up, will be more and more that will not be able to play cause they can't afford them. Yes its easy to make ISK, but also easier to lose it.

To me the answer is a big isk sink item, something like titans, but that most anyone can get, good item and costs billions upon billions of ISK, people need a reason to buy more plex to flood the market to get the prices to drop again.


If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX.


I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#142 - 2015-09-10 10:44:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Brutus Utama
Ultim8Evil wrote:
I don't feel that £90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.

People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.

Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.


Maybe you still live at home with your parents?

but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another £600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money,

so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more.

also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#143 - 2015-09-10 10:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Brutus Utama wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:
I don't feel that £90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.

People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.

Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.


Maybe you still live at home with your parents?

but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another £600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money,

so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more.

also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.


its not really saving though is it? you pay for the gym, saving would be going out for a run, satelite tv, saving would be running kodi or similar for free, its just a selective cost you prefer not to pay, eve gives me more entertainment for £9.99 a month than my sky subscription which cost me £70 a month (i got rid of that to run a free service). but its also your choice to run 5 accounts, you dont need 5 accounts to play eve.

do you think that the price of plex is going up because its actually too easy to make isk in the game?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#144 - 2015-09-10 12:21:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Brutus Utama wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:
I don't feel that £90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.

People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.

Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.


Maybe you still live at home with your parents?

but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another £600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money,

so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more.

also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.


its not really saving though is it? you pay for the gym, saving would be going out for a run, satelite tv, saving would be running kodi or similar for free, its just a selective cost you prefer not to pay, eve gives me more entertainment for £9.99 a month than my sky subscription which cost me £70 a month (i got rid of that to run a free service). but its also your choice to run 5 accounts, you dont need 5 accounts to play eve.

do you think that the price of plex is going up because its actually too easy to make isk in the game?

Ah damnit, another person got caught on GD by giving out too many details

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#145 - 2015-09-10 12:37:23 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:
I don't feel that £90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.

People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.

Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.


Maybe you still live at home with your parents?

but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another £600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money,

so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more.

also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.


One of the ways to stop being poor in real life is stop playing video games when you could be earning extra money. You have enough time to generate PLEX in a video game but not enough time to improve your life situation?

We are talking about 50 cents (USD) a day per account here. That's 0.44735 Euros, or 0.32511 British Pounds per day per account.

I PLEX because I make lots of excess isk doing what I enjoy in game (Shooting NPCs), and the way i work leaves me with time to do that, but if I had to pay, yea I could afford 60 bucks a month for my 4 accounts, and I've got 1 kid in college and I help my other daughter with her bills because of a job loss. All this on top of all the other expenses we have with my wife working part time and me making a public servants salary (I won't be buying any yachts any time soon).

We're talking about a video game here. No one owes you access to a video game dude.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#146 - 2015-09-10 12:38:06 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tosski wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Brutus Utama wrote:
The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...

i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity


Have you ever though about paying with real money for your subs and not having to grind a single ISK for your gametime?



Most people pay for their subs via plex cause they don't have the real life money to pay for it. If not for plexes they wouldn't be able to play. As the economy keeps getting worse in many parts of the world, I can see the demand for plexes slowly go up. But on the other hand if prices of plex keep going up, will be more and more that will not be able to play cause they can't afford them. Yes its easy to make ISK, but also easier to lose it.

To me the answer is a big isk sink item, something like titans, but that most anyone can get, good item and costs billions upon billions of ISK, people need a reason to buy more plex to flood the market to get the prices to drop again.


If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX.


I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.


If something is not worth it's price, why do they keep buying it?
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#147 - 2015-09-10 12:47:42 UTC
If you feel PLEX are too expensive, buy 100 of them and dump them in Jita for about 700K. Be part of the solution instead of crying about it. I hope they keep going up until all the people that whine about PLEX prices GTFO.

flakeys wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX.


I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.


So they'd rather spend 10 or whatever hours grinding missions? Seems legit.

If I don't think a MMO is worth $15 a month, I don't play it. Even with "F2P" MMOs I do the sub thing rather than be nickel and dimed or put up with free player restrictions when I'm feeling the itch for some SWTOR or LOTRO.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#148 - 2015-09-10 12:50:53 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
gym membership

P I play ingress for exercise. Looks sorta like this.

Who has time for TV??? Roll

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2015-09-10 15:25:27 UTC
plex will hit 1.5b within next 3-6 months, that's the highest it will ever get and will stay like this
Circumstantial Evidence
#150 - 2015-09-10 15:39:42 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
plex will hit 1.5b within next 3-6 months, that's the highest it will ever get and will stay like this
3-6 months? lol. Maybe next month, as market forces are pushing toward 1.2b atm. (Also, you'll never need more than 640k RAM.)
Salvos Rhoska
#151 - 2015-09-10 16:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
PLEX will continue to rise.

Even I, on my own meager isk income, am immediately converting profits into PLEX as soon as I get sufficiently past my reserve wallet.

Im relatively new to EVE, without established income sources/developed alts, plagued with wrong skill choices that provide very little at great difficulty (Minmatar is a crapshoot, btw, except for Machariels, that I cant fly due to stupidly training far in its cruiser line) , and also a student atm.

Why do I do this?

Honestly, I cant afford sub for 1 account that has become unprofitable, let alone for the alt accounts that were supposed to enable me to earn more through its support.

Atm I focused on earning as much isk as I can with my misguided capacitiess, inorder to PLEX my accounts for as long as I can, for training into the "right way" to generate sustainably enough isk to PLEX themselves and allow me to participate reasonably in the activities I enjoy.

I am readily, and apparently, playing EVE "wrong", in terms of profit, but Im doing my damndest to recompense and stay in the game, on a PLEX basis.

This has less to do with the price of PLEX, and more to do with me not having understanding how to earn isk properly.

I cannot buy PLEX or a sub.

So instead Im am struggling and fighting to remain in the game, with ingame means, which with my misguided and unprofitbale choices, had become very difficult. Ive got about 2-3 months left, if I liquidate all my assets. After that, I dont know. Maybe Ill finally find a job alongside my studies to sub to keep atleast one character training till things get better both IRL interms of income, and also ingame in terms of finalky making enough isk in the right ways.

If anything, what pisses me off the most, is that I didnt join the EVE community years before I did.
Thats my own fault.
Atleast then I would have developed characters with enough adaptability to roll with the changes and still pump out good isk, and connections to support that.

Im also going to try invest ehat I have left in some trading with some limitied hauling, to try and scratch together a few more millions, though tbh Im likely to lose more than I win, as its a new endevour for me.

TLDR: Its lean and hard times for PLEXing newer players. We, if anyone, are feeling the crunch and fighting the hardest to stay in the game. If anyone has suggestions or offers of employment/opprtunity, please do not hesitate to mail me with them.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#152 - 2015-09-10 16:41:08 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
PLEX will continue to rise.

Even I, on my own meager isk income, am immediately converting profits into PLEX as soon as I get sufficiently past my reserve wallet.

Im relatively new to EVE, without established income sources/developed alts, plagued with wrong skill choices that provide very little at great difficulty (Minmatar is a crapshoot, btw, except for Machariels, that I cant fly due to stupidly training far in its cruiser line) , and also a student atm.

Why do I do this?

Honestly, I cant afford sub for 1 account that has become unprofitable, let alone for the alt accounts that were supposed to enable me to earn more through its support.

Atm I focused on earning as much isk as I can with my misguided capacitiess, inorder to PLEX my accounts for as long as I can, for training into the "right way" to generate sustainably enough isk to PLEX themselves and allow me to participate reasonably in the activities I enjoy.

I am readily, and apparently, playing EVE "wrong", in terms of profit, but Im doing my damndest to recompense and stay in the game, on a PLEX basis.

This has less to do with the price of PLEX, and more to do with me not having understanding how to earn isk properly.

I cannot buy PLEX or a sub.

So instead Im am struggling and fighting to remain in the game, with ingame means, which with my misguided and unprofitbale choices, had become very difficult. Ive got about 2-3 months left, if I liquidate all my assets. After that, I dont know. Maybe Ill finally find a job alongside my studies to sub to keep atleast one character training till things get better both IRL interms of income, and also ingame in terms of finalky making enough isk in the right ways.

If anything, what pisses me off the most, is that I didnt join the EVE community years before I did.
Thats my own fault.
Atleast then I would have developed characters with enough adaptability to roll with the changes and still pump out good isk, and connections to support that.

Im also going to try invest ehat I have left in some trading with some limitied hauling, to try and scratch together a few more millions, though tbh Im likely to lose more than I win, as its a new endevour for me.

TLDR: Its lean and hard times for PLEXing newer players. We, if anyone, are feeling the crunch and fighting the hardest to stay in the game. If anyone has suggestions or offers of employment/opprtunity, please do not hesitate to mail me with them.


WTF did you train for that can't make 100 mill in a few game hours for 10 days/months?

Or 33 mill each day of the month?
Salvos Rhoska
#153 - 2015-09-10 17:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Frostys Virpio wrote:
WTF did you train for that can't make 100 mill in a few game hours for 10 days/months?

Or 33 mill each day of the month?


Main on Minnie T2 cruisers with primarily arty and shields training (big mistake). Loki training in progress, in hopes that will provide a new potential angle. Primary alt account (also (fail) Minnie), that currently mines Ice to produce some income while training, but cant decide between being a covops scout, or explorer, or stealth bomber, or whatever, to suppoet my main. PI account/characters has been a resolute failure.

I can just about make the PLEX cost per month for all on my main with frequent and intensive combat exploration, but I have no capital remaining afterwards, especially including my drunken fails flying a Muninn in 5/10 escalations.

Im really straining atm. My meager goal would be to earn enough isk to multitrain 1 additional character per month, so as to diversify my options and content in EVE progressively, but its very hard to do so.

Im constantly trying to improve, and do a great deal of reading/research, but I think some of my initial decisions have been counterproductive, and Im paying for them now.

I hope its just a small slump /gap have to overcome to establish myself, to reach a certain SP critcal mass, but goddam, Im really scraping the bottom of the barrel for every dreg atm. Il bring every 5k module I can to market. Im picking pennies off the floor.

TLDR: PLEX price, in and of itself, is not my problem. Primarily my problem is failing to understand how to generate that isk. Secondary, but linked to this, is many space rich players who buy PLEX with impugnity, because their characters are so established/skilled that the cost is trivial. Talking about players with 20+bil in assets, and characters with SP in multiples of my own. Hoe van I compete with that? Not that Im not trying, and will continue to do so. Just gotta pass the hump.

How do you, Frostys Virpio, make isk in EVE?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#154 - 2015-09-10 17:52:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I feel like I achieved something in this game when I read what people are doing. My killboard may be funny, but I can at least make some ISK. Pirate
Zihao
Doomheim
#155 - 2015-09-10 19:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zihao
Brutus Utama wrote:
when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc.

It sounds like you are poor. There's nothing wrong with being poor. But you are definitely poor. Why be mad you have to pay for things though? Is CCP supposed to subsidize you because you paid for their game at some point?
Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#156 - 2015-09-10 20:15:32 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
Maybe you still live at home with your parents?

...TEARS... CryCryCry

also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.


I'm married, 31, I tax, insure, service, MOT, and fuel two cars, own my own home, pay all my bills (sky+, gas, electric, water, council tax, mobile phone, fibre optic broadband yada yada yada) I take two holidays abroad per year.

So no, I don't live with my parents, thank you very much.

I'm just doing well enough in life to not worry about £90 (well, £180, I have two accounts) a year making a huge dent in my wallet.

£90 is a tank of diesel. £90 is a realtively tame night out. £90 is not a lot of money.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#157 - 2015-09-10 20:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Ultim8Evil wrote:

£90 is a tank of diesel.


120l fuel tank?
Games produced in the west have western prices. Everything there have western price. Even when its made in the east. Lol
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#158 - 2015-09-10 20:46:52 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:

£90 is a tank of diesel.


120l fuel tank?
Games produced in the west have western prices. Everything there have western price. Even when its made in the east. Lol


lol he wishes it was 120l fuel tank, uk is over £1 a litre for fuel

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Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ultim8Evil
Exit-Strategy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#159 - 2015-09-10 21:44:21 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Ultim8Evil wrote:

£90 is a tank of diesel.


120l fuel tank?
Games produced in the west have western prices. Everything there have western price. Even when its made in the east. Lol


lol he wishes it was 120l fuel tank, uk is over £1 a litre for fuel


£1.13 a litre for Diesel last time I noticed.

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Salvos Rhoska
#160 - 2015-09-10 22:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
2.5 bil by next year, at this time.

2.99 bil atleast by the year after, at this time.

PLEX is, to my mind, a foregone situation, barring another huge influx of players purchasing them after a huge media event, or some other fantastic CCP media stunt.

PLEX is an excellent system, but integrally it carries its own dependencies and systemic downfall, particularly in the sense that the higher its isk cost rises, the less of it people will buy IRL, invariably (note) leading to a CCP fiscal decision on sub costs, which will throw PLEX and the entire economy into all kinds of crazy.

I really want EVE to catch its second wind, and take off like the champ it is and deserves to be, but I cant help feeling the opportunity for that was lost way back when the best revenues were sidelined into other projects.

Its an ironic, analogous and poetic justice that any EVE player can appreciate;
they invested time/money/skill into the wrong things. SOL. Didnt do your homework. Bad bet.