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Caracal Navy Issue, Level 3 mission boat

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#21 - 2015-06-30 17:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
That's a bit of a habit of mine that seeped though, unfortunately. With T1 rigs you're right that 3 rigors tends to be better in most circumstances, if only a little bit. With T2 rigs that changes due to calibration cost where a 3rd T2 rigor is impossible and would have to be T1, and then the T2 Flare makes more sense. I'll actually make an annotation for that.


Done.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#22 - 2015-07-01 00:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Gregor Parud wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Old debate, years old. And when I was flying them regular, I had a passive and an active, doing lvl3's and some lvl4's. Wound up refitting the active to a passive. But nice little vid there, to bad hardly anyone has paid it any attention with it's low view count.

Oh and I don't complain about missiles, other than the delayed applied damage, but more of a fleet issue (e.g. incursions etc). Even so, a missile buff is coming up, so even less of an issue for those that believe it so.


"I got caught saying something silly and rather than acknowledge it I'll get passive aggressive trying to diminish the shown facts by lolling at some number, as if that somehow disqualifies said facts. Also I don't know how the missile changes will pan out (hint, you'll still be better off with rigor/flare for the simple reason that losing 2-3 mid slots hurts more than 2-3 rigs and there's more stacking issues with the modules) because I still don't know how stuff really works".

I didn't talk down to you, but you usually do that. It's 5% adjustment not counting the coming mods. You can do lvl3's with an active, but you will probably want lvl4's on passive... or some of the harder lvl3's. People can always just experiment and come to their own conclusions as I have done. Not speaking of theory and spreadsheets, it also depends on the bus drivers skill and play style.

I'm in it for the money

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StormyMtn IV Glacier-Tor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-09-10 03:16:03 UTC  |  Edited by: StormyMtn IV Glacier-Tor
Some very good points - especially about the complexity of determining what rigs and fits for various mission profiles. It was enlightening because i would spend time comparing specific numbers on the missiles themselves. I just started using evemon and eft, but there seems to be a lot of equipment that is not in the database so i have only used it to get a better understanding of what impact a particular item has on the vessel stats. I have a couple of Navy Caracals that are doing very nicely on level II pve missions except for a mission I helped a Drake on, both of us kiting while aligned on Airkio VIII and we still had to warp out several times to recharge and repair armor. I had auto-targeting heavy missiles and he had heavy assault, we both ended up changing to heavy missile to get the job done. The rat pack would hang outside of his ham range and my atms were taking forever to beat down the shields - after that they died quickly.

Most of my ships are gallente with drones and rails or lasers which do a much better job on the rat packs. By the by the extra hp on the navy version made the difference on warping out with 300-500k damage or total loss of ship - which is what would have happened in a vanilla carc.

I will be assembling a drake or similar posthaste, and the navy carc will go back on its regular runs. And yes this is one of several alts but it does have around 20 ships in service in several regions doing very lucrative private contracts.


EDIT: I tried to watch your video but it is marked as private. Do you have a public version of it somewhere?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-09-10 07:04:56 UTC
If you want be really crazy you could build one with overheated polarized HAMs :D

You could get ludicrous DPS for about 30 seconds till you explode :D
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-09-10 07:35:51 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:

Full explanation is here.



StormyMtn IV Glacier-Tor wrote:

EDIT: I tried to watch your video but it is marked as private. Do you have a public version of it somewhere?

Same here, video is blocked.

Ugh



DMC
Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#26 - 2015-09-10 10:27:41 UTC
Man asks question about how to fit a Navy Caracal. Violent argument ensues about the best way to fit a Drake. Welcome to EVE.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#27 - 2015-09-10 11:51:22 UTC
Cherri Minoa wrote:
Man asks question about how to fit a Navy Caracal. Violent argument ensues about the best way to fit a Drake. Welcome to EVE.
dont worry about it, likely ragequit over a month ago. This is an old thread.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#28 - 2015-09-10 13:01:34 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Cherri Minoa wrote:
Man asks question about how to fit a Navy Caracal. Violent argument ensues about the best way to fit a Drake. Welcome to EVE.
dont worry about it, likely ragequit over a month ago. This is an old thread.


True.

And the comments about the Caracal Navy are quite right. Mine is still gathering dust in the hangar.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson

Bomber Boris
Crowned in Terror
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2015-09-10 14:30:45 UTC
I used a navy caracal to farm clone soldiers in sansha lowsec. Then I ran into a gate camp. FeelsBadMan
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-09-10 18:00:27 UTC
I used to run loads of L3s vs all factions using passive drake even after all the nerfs...
you got flight of scout drones for those lousy frigs.
you can omni tank and don't bother with replacing shield resist.
heavy missiles are pretty good or you can use RLML if you are more "in your face" guy.
StormyMtn IV Glacier-Tor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-09-14 21:22:17 UTC
Appreciate the feedback and suggested alternatives to the Navy versions of T1s. EveMon has been really helpful prioritizing skills needed to run a T2 with T2 fittings. Just downloaded PFYA and it is a great tool, lot easier testing various setups than EFT.

Knocking out missions, doing incremental upgrades as skills come through the hopper and putting the pieces together to not just play for free but to play profitably.

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