EVE New Citizens Q&A

No, it's one of the reasons. It's more beneficial for a new player because, as erg mentioned, you get a far wider view of the battlefield and don't have quite the same pressure to stay alive (usually) as being in the thick of it with **** flying in and around your head, micromanaging cap boosters, transversal, webs, scrams and points, local tank or calling for logi reps, not approaching bad targets, communicating actually useful and not silly info to the FC etc etc.. All of this while keeping an eye on your location in relation to the fleet, and watching D-Scan. It's far easier to spot danger from 100km away than 500m away.

Again, EWAR isn't easy, and demands mastery as well, it is however a tad more accessible, but above all, more beneficial when starting out, on top of being a pivotal role in many, if not most engagements. I don't understand this obsession with needing to be in a DPS ship to feel like you're PvPing. Or even feeling like you need to be able to compete 1v1 mano a mano, Thorax vs Thorax on the undock at the crack of dawn, which, without experience anyway, you're going to lose unless your opponent is a derp.

SP is not useless by any stretch of the imagination. I just can't stand people telling newbies they can't compete without it, because it is demonstrably false. SP helps, but brains help more.

maulus is such a lazy ship, i love it even when i can fly everything thats relevant, nothing better than kicking back and damping all the things

in other games there's 2 things u can do:

dps or heal

Everything else is just a sideshow, whereas in EVE the debuffing and also buffing of your fleet can easily be the difference between win and loss.

Combine this with the hundreds of variations of "class" (aka hulls and fits) it presents an almost unlimited pvp spectrum. Something other games will never achieve.

I remember playing arena in WoW and after a certain point it just felt like you were doing the same thing over an over, even if it was different people you met.

I think you need to reread your own post here because you are proving my point while claiming the opposite.

You are correct that tackled is tackled. Skill points do affect things like your speed and HP and stuff but you are correct tackled is tackled and your skill points or lack there of do not change that fact. However knowing how to tackle and who to tackle and when to tackle and being able to pilot your ship in such a manner that you maintain the point while the fleet shows up that's all skill. Not skill POINTS but player skill.

Many people confuse actual applied dps with paper dps. Your EFT numbers don't mean squat if you can't apply the dps and a good pilot will know how to pilot his ship in such a manner that he is making the most of his damage profile while making the least of his opponents. If you think paper dps is everything get in a blaster boat and go up against someone in an autocannon frig with falloff bonus. You can even force him to gimp his dps in some way or the other it doesn't matter because if he can control range your are going to die regardless of the fact that EFT says you can do twice the dps.

As far as Ewar goes knowing who to use Ewar on and when to use it and how to draw people away from the pack to help divide and conquer is all player skill. So three times in your first paragraph you help me prove that player skill is far more important than skill points.

As far as the suitonia videos it shows how you are missing the point. In Eve you are always counting on your opponent to make grave judgement errors. Most Eve players won't engage in a fight that they don't think that they can win. So you are either counting on them to make some situational awarness judgement error and deliver the surprise but sects or you are trying to fool them into thinking they can win when you have something up your sleeve.

But no I'm not saying that at 17 days old you will be counting on your opponent to make grave errors. What I am saying is that regardless of how old or how many skill points the characters have most fights will come down to which pilot makes less grave errors. Suitonia did not win those fights because he had better "gear" or more skill points. He won those fights because he was a better pilot plain and simple. You just are not going to do anywhere even close to as good as him even if you borrowed someone else's 10 year old character. He is just more skilled than either you or I and clearly on a 2 week old alt I'm not talking skill points but player skill.

the worst thing IMO is the carrot being other players showing and demonstrating you things you cannot do yet (be it flying ships, using certain modules, solo higher level missions or succeed at activities you suck in at). At least for me, thats hard to overcome when you want to be able to do what others do in front of you.

I am 2 months old in EVE now and the first month was HELL, I was hoping it gets better once I subscribe but of course after you get rid of the "this skill cannot be trained by trial accounts" stuff the game becomes deeper and more complex. I also am at the point where some of the much needed skill updates take me 10-12 days which means I m stuck at what i ca do NOW before I can even attempt to do new stuff.

With time comes acceptance tho. Talking to other people helps. You get an impression of the term "time" and how much you ganne need. Realizing there are no shortcuts for anybody and everybody had to go through what you go through now makes it easier to handle.

I pretty much ran into a wall at lv 3 missions...been doing them for a (felt) eternity now without being able to "progress" but you know.....doing the same stuff with ME changing (because I get skill ups) also makes me realize how actually CRITICAL skills are...not necessarily the ship and equipment. My ship and gear didnt change.....my skills did and of course my strategies and the difference is massive.

So EVE provides you with the time you need to adjust yourself to everything in the game. I find it to be an elegant system :)

Well I've got Capacitor mgmt V in my queue and it's a 14 day timer. Ironically, I spent about 7 days total training into my Procurer, bought all the stuff needed for the fit and ventured out into the nearest asteroid field. Pulled a load of Scordite in what felt like an eternity, sold it for 1.8 mill ISK. Thought to myself, "what a super boring way to make such a tiny amount of isk". Docked in station, sold the Procurer and all that **** and slapped myself for wasting all that time that could've been better spent training into T2 drones and T2 small hybrid turrets.
I'm no longer considering mining as an option for ISK. I can make more looting wrecks and scooping abandoned drones in a fraction of the time and also have people trying to shoot me. I've met a couple guys from EVE Uni corp lately, did a T1 Dessie dual with one last night and got my ass handed to me, though he sent me ISK to cover my losses which was nice.
I still haven't made peace with the SP timers in this game. I hate the system TBH. I can't stand not being able to do the things I want to do when I want to do them. What I've wanted to lately is solo PVP, but without T2 fit it's pretty much a losing proposition and too much time wasted trying to find someone for a fair fight. The guy I fought last night agreed to only use T1 fit, then came in with T2 drones and almost killed me in five seconds, but was nice enough to disengage and come back and start over with T1s.

I plan on applying to EVE Uni corp, but again, I will be sitting around for another week doing nothing waiting on my interview to be done before I can fly support even. EVE Online: The Waiting Game. Wait to train skills, wait to get into guild, wait wait wait.

Sounds like this game isn't for you.

I'm not sure which 10-12 day skills are keeping you from trying something new but I suspect it's more of a perception thing. I'm sure there is a way to do what you want to try and do now. I'd recommend hooking up with some vets to help you figure that out. We were all where you are now at one point. Most of us understand how lost you feel early on and are more than happy to help.

Not only are there no shortcuts but this game has a habit of punishing players that even try to find one.

I at one point thought that this was the case also. Then after having played the game a couple years went back and started a fresh alt and found myself able to use tactics that I thought had opened up to me with skill points at much lower skill points than I had been able to use them initially. My point is that your progression of strategies probably has more to do with you getting better at the game than it does your skill points or at least more than you are giving yourself credit for.

As far as level 3's getting boring or stale they are supposed to. This game is a PvP game at it's core and the "content" is intended to be primarily other players. To me that seems like it's kind of inherent in the definition of an MMO but it amazes me as some of the gameplay in other games that is considered MMO gameplay.

To me if you are running level 3 missions solo every time you play then you should probably be looking for a solo game like GTA or something like that. If you want to play an MMO get out and do something with other players. Or do something against other players. Either way get out there and interact.


I could not agree more.

I feel you brah. I often reflect on the fact it has taken me some three+ years to get to the point where I can fly most of the stuff I want to, and if I had to do it all over again I would just buy an 80m SP toon off the market instead.

If one multiplies two accounts subscription cost (because you really need a second account/alt) times three years, then outright purchase of a high SP toon(s) from the get-go is not as outrageous as it might seem.

tldr;
The game mechanics themselves were enough of a 'levelling up' process, that actual SP levelling was just a ballache for me too. One just has to reflect on training JDC 5 to minimally offset jump-AIDS to understand where I am coming from.

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