EVE General Discussion

What? Catch up to what, you can get into PVP or missions or whatever you want to do and be successful from your very first day.

This is actually not true. Many EvE players, including myself, tryed out the game multiple times before they finally stayed to play it for a longer period of time. I came back for the exact reason that, after i saw how complex EvE was, no other game out there could live up to that standard.

People stayed in the game even when there was no new player experiance.

Can the new player experiance be improved ? Sure.
Do we want to change the game drastically just to keep some new players that would otherwise leave ? Hell no.



The thread title still talks about F2P which is a pretey drastical change that would effect ALL parts of the game. As many people (including CCP) have stated multiple times over the years, this would break the entire game. Now take a look at your own definition of a good "Technical Director".

Throughout this thread, starting with your opening post, you just put random ideas in this thread without thinking them through first. You keep talking in vague visions instead of finished solid concepts. Im a software designer myself and I can tell you : You realy do still have a lot to learn.

None of your ideas help them because they are so completely out of touch with the reality of this game and of gaming in general.

Actually, that role is very common. You see it all the time in Kickstarer spiels, where a guy has some grandiose idea and some experience in tinkering, but no idea how to actually make something that works, much less a compelling product.

Then this isn't a game for them. Make them try the trial, and if they find it interesting they'll stay, otherwise they'll leave.

I'd rather have fellow patient gamers in EVE than impatient ones who want everything served at their feet.

You work for CCP?

As for "love", are you sure it's not like my last GF that luvd me because of what she thought she could change me into? You know, that stuff always works out really well ... Maybe you should think about joining your friends in that f2p game if you don't feel CCP is doing the right thing with EVE. Though I suppose that may mean you'd need to quit working for CCP
Our loss I suppose

i ask my money back for all those years. Because the are making the bad dissensions and there are losing money its not my fault that the f*ck it up so i want my money back.

I dont ask for ftp game i ask to play my game when en how i want and thats it. The give me the tools i play it. If thats a problem some people need to reconsider there options in this game. Or play a other game.

Asking for money back because current does not represent past is a strange point...

I mean if you were investing for futures instead of current returns, I can see the dilemma.

Lets take an example. Movies. How about the Matrix.


You pay for first one, cause is good.

Pay for second one and often can leave satisfied, but disappointed at cliffhanger ending.

Pay for third and many are disappointed.


Because the sequel is bad, you demand refund for being satisfied initially??? You got what you paid for...

You are not going to attract any new players to the game that's 12 years old and where access to piloting ships is time locked.

Why invest time skilling up to fly a Golem and other blingy top of the line or even the meta stuff, if the game might die any moment. Sure, we know it won't die spontaneously, but the newbro has no guarantee of that.

There is little trust that can be given to EVE.

There is little reason to start playing EvE now, outside of feeding your own curiosity. I've been here for almost 600days and I still can't fly T3Cs, only just trained up HAC and LOGI IV. Sure I could have gotten them sooner if I focused the training. But it's like "have sov or have fun". You either have fun exploring the innards of this game OR you chase everyone else, being part of a race you will never win.

You can't argue that "being PvP capable in a week old rifter" is an incentive to stay. It's merely an incentive to try out the game. With the span of 1 week how many newbros will find themselves in a situation where they are tackling something a rifter...? And apart from that, what else do they get to do apart from missions.

There is also the decade old argument about "instant gratification" or some BS, which seems as a biased concern coming solely from people who are worried that the time they invested will suddenly be largely devalued if other newer people didn't have to go through the same ****** "waiting game" ritual.

The only way of doing that is to not run missions since they have nothing to do with the story — they're just a way to regulate how fast currency is injected into the in-game market. EVE is not a game about consuming a narrative; it's about creating one. Missions — indeed anything involving NPCs — are in every way utterly and completely irrelevant to this end.

The whole idea of F2P — you know, the topic of the thread — would, as would many of the ideas you've suggested, in particular everything you label as “clean slate”. The rest simply don't have anything to do with the topic you've now swung towards since they don't address any kind of new-player concern.

It's about the same as it has always been, except that new players have far more information and guidance — in and out of game — than ever before.

By reading up on the game for, oh, 5 minutes before starting to play. It's fairly obvious by how player activity is given all the focus every time the game is mentioned, especially in the huge splashy stories that make an international media impact.

If these are the kinds of harmful ideas you come up with, and which you have taught them to come up with, they should probably ask for their money back. You keep throwing out all these ideas without any consideration of whether or not they work for the purpose of… well, anything, really, but definitely for the purpose of making EVE a better game.

The fundamental issue you seem to have missed is that EVE is a niche game. You also seem to have missed the fact that this isn't a bad thing.